Question and debate with Ironside

[pauld]

It's long been a strategy of neo-Nazis to deny or downplay the Holocaust, the idea being that if they can gain some kind of credence to the idea that the "Holocaust was a myth" they can then somehow rehabilitate the reputation of the Nazis and openly come out to garner support for full-on neo-Nazi movements (as opposed to the kind of "Wolf in sheep's clothing" approach of the BNP). What are your thoughts on Holocaust deniers such as David Irving?

[Ironside]

It's long been a strategy of neo-Nazis to deny or downplay the Holocaust, the idea being that if they can gain some kind of credence to the idea that the "Holocaust was a myth" they can then somehow rehabilitate the reputation of the Nazis and openly come out to garner support for full-on neo-Nazi movements (as opposed to the kind of "Wolf in sheep's clothing" approach of the BNP). What are your thoughts on Holocaust deniers such as David Irving?

WHO DID YOU VOTE FOR AT THE LAST ELECTION?

[dogs]

to not allow these people slavation within our shores, a fucking lifeline, is fucking inhumane. its totally fucking unacceptable, fuck economics,. fuck whatever. if people starting giving a shit about their fellow man regardless of skin colour/language/religion. the fucking world would be a happier place.

That's real life for you. You can't allow every person in the world who's be persecuted or hard done by into this country. It's obvious at current levels the system is already about to burst or burst.

[Talk Talk]

WHO DID YOU VOTE FOR AT THE LAST ELECTION?

Hopefully PD didn't vote for me at the last General Election. Otherwise Ironside will be after me with a sharpened aubergine.

[Reg Smeeton]

In my view its not be applauded nor derided. I'd like to understand rather than just slag off because he holds a different view to me. The TEF mafiosa seem quite willing to gang up and shout down anything they dont' agree with and the majority go along with it whilst accusing those who want to try and understand as being receptive to the victim card they perceive as Ironside playing. .

 Oooh that's me that is...TEF mafiosa, bags I be the Godfather.

 Thing is CS...this stuff goes back a long way, did you see the link to 3 years ago that I posted.

 TBF to Ironside he doesn't push his beliefs in the way he used to on the old thisis, when it was evident he was hoping to do a bit of recruiting to the BNP.

 Back in that 3 year old post, Yeovil got it spot on, there are a number of racists on this site, but they're tolerated, nevertheless it means others will at times wish to put a counter argument.

 

[Mexicano Rojo]

That's real life for you. You can't allow every person in the world who's be persecuted or hard done by into this country. It's obvious at current levels the system is already about to burst or burst.

so what do you do? let them die? let them get tortured? I for one could not stand by and let that happen?

I might have been pissed but i stand by my drunken ramblings.

[dogs]

Well people do die oppressed, they do get tortured and being frank it's on such a scale you can't actually do anything about it. The majority of the people over here who claim asylum, I doubt would ever suffer such circumstances anyhow based on the EU definition given to agent of persecution, which is open to much abuse by those who claim refugee status.

With regards to the UK I can see the whole welfare state collapsing in a few years, especially with the economy sinking fast, and the resentment these people will receive will probably be just the same as if they were being persecuted in their own lands.

[Ironside]

so what do you do? let them die? let them get tortured? I for one could not stand by and let that happen?

I might have been pissed but i stand by my drunken ramblings.

Nobody want's that to happen. Unfortunately, the system is so weak, dis-jointed and easy to take advantage of that the few genuine ones are joinind by the large majority of piss taking scum who wouldn't get through the door unless the uttered the magic words "asylum".

It's the sytem that is fucked and responsibility falls squarely on the shoulders of the the government, in this case, Labour.  There are no other "mainstream" parties out there that, as far as I know, are proposing any kind of change to the system to strengthen it.  If people think there is too much immigration (of any kind), where do they put their crosses on election day?

[Ironside]

I'm off to the boozer.

Feel free to answer the fucking question oh righteous one

[Mexicano Rojo]

With regards to the UK I can see the whole welfare state collapsing in a few years, especially with the economy sinking fast, and the resentment these people will receive will probably be just the same as if they were being persecuted in their own lands.

You dont have a clue do you? Im hungover as a fucknut so i cant be arsed to argue this, maybe go and watch hotel rwanda and then say the above again?

[Bogus Dave]

To be fair, ironside came out of this pretty well

[dogs]

You dont have a clue do you? Im hungover as a fucknut so i cant be arsed to argue this, maybe go and watch hotel rwanda and then say the above again?

What has that got to do with anything? I doubt there are many Rwandan refugees in this country.

The crust of the matter is that many legitimate refugees will seek a safe haven in the nearest safe country. The majority of claimants we have in this country are economic migrants, who actually damage the claims of legitimate refugees who decide for whatever reason to come to this country over others. It is these economic migrants who I was referring to who will end up being resented when the welfare system goes down and the persecution they receive will be worse as if in there own country, as i doubt they ever got persecuted in the first place.

[DMR]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7943556.stm

Davis....?

[Simon Pieman]

Provided they are allowed to live there by the local government, are not criminals, illegally living there, can support themselves without drawing on the resources of their host nation and population, there shouldn't be problem should there?

So there shouldn't be a problem with a foreigner whose retired moving to Britain?

[tans]

The leeds lads are a tad intelligent arent they..

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