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Title: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Monday, September 7, 2020, 15:24:11
Here we go, guys.  Someone’s got to get us out of the Charlton rut.
Not good news re Lyden, so what’s tomorrow’s team going to be?


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, September 7, 2020, 15:36:17
                 Fryer
Caddis Curran Conroy Iandolo
         M Smith Palmer
Hope           DJ           J Smith
               Pitman


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Monday, September 7, 2020, 15:45:37
                 Fryer
Caddis Curran Conroy Iandolo
         M Smith Palmer
Hope           DJ           J Smith
               Pitman
I like that as a starting XI.  The bench will be very important, though.  I think Wellens will want to get some more minutes out of Grant, in prep for Saturday, and we could see the forward line being juggled a bit in order to test out partners with Pitman, as we need to start to build some understanding at the edge of the box. Jonny and Hope are a good wide pair.
No doubt there will be some whinging about Iandolo remaining at LB, but there aren’t too many options at present.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: dphunt88 on Monday, September 7, 2020, 15:56:06
I'd imagine that the STFC XI will look something like this... we may have to use our three allowed substitutions carefully to protect the players who we want to come into contention for Rochdale at home.


GK - Joe Fryer (if signed before 5pm today) / Archie Matthews

RB - Paul Caddis
LB - Massimo Giamattei
CB - Dion Conroy (for 60-70 mins?)
CB - Taylor Curran

DM - Matt Smith
DM - Matty Palmer
AM - Toby Holland

RW - Jonny Smith (for 60-70 mins?)
LW - Hallam Hope
FOR - Brett Pitman (for 60-70 mins?)


With Kaiyne Woolery not re-signing in time for tomorrow's game, you could see 2nd year scholar Harry Parsons replace Brett Pitman once he's knackered. You don't want Jonny Smith playing much more than 60-70 minutes really, but not sure who'd replace him given that you wouldn't want to risk Payne/Jaiyesimi/T.Smith ahead of Saturday. Perhaps young Luke Haines or Anthony Cheshire on for Conroy after an hour to help him continue his return to matches.

It's a good chance for one of Matty Palmer or Matt Smith to make a mark and force their way in to the side for Rochdale. Keen to get my first proper look at both of them.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Nemo on Monday, September 7, 2020, 16:01:17
Think that's more changes than we'd be allowed to make - believe you need to pick four outfield players who played in either the last league game or the next one. So think we're likely to keep Iandolo in the side and one of the centre backs, maybe Tyler Smith too. Would guess at:

Kovar

Iandolo
Caddis
Odimayo
Curran

M Smith
Palmer

Hope
DJ
J Smith

Pitman



Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, September 7, 2020, 16:04:22
Think that's more changes than we'd be allowed to make - believe you need to pick four outfield players who played in either the last league game or the next one. So think we're likely to keep Iandolo in the side and one of the centre backs, maybe Tyler Smith too.

Good point - swap in Kovar for Fryer in my team and we should have the four. I think the first-year pros will make up the bench.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Monday, September 7, 2020, 16:07:35
Think that's more changes than we'd be allowed to make - believe you need to pick four outfield players who played in either the last league game or the next one. So think we're likely to keep Iandolo in the side and one of the centre backs, maybe Tyler Smith too. Would guess at:

Kovar

Iandolo
Caddis
Odimayo
Curran

M Smith
Palmer

Hope
DJ
J Smith

Pitman


Interesting.  How exactly does that work?  Does Pitman coming on as a sub against Charlton count as 1 of the 4? And how do they “police” the appearances in the next match?


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, September 7, 2020, 16:10:07
I would go pretty much with PP's team, we simply do not have the amount of fit players to replace every single starter from Saturday.

WBA will have an ex Swindon and Cirencester youth teamer playing for them in Owen Windsor a striker we had for a while 2 years ago.

I know Wellens won't take it seriously but he will still want us being competitive.

Be a good chance for Palmer, Smith, Hope and J Smith to show what they have to be in the starting line up for Rochdale and a chance for Pitman, Conroy and Caddis to get some needed minutes on the pitch to improve their fitness.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, September 7, 2020, 16:13:09
Think that's more changes than we'd be allowed to make - believe you need to pick four outfield players who played in either the last league game or the next one. So think we're likely to keep Iandolo in the side and one of the centre backs, maybe Tyler Smith too. Would guess at:

From the Blackpool local rag.

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EFL regulations state that each club must field their ‘Full Available Strength’ in and during all EFL Trophy matches.

In this competition, ‘Full Available Strength’ means that at least four players on the field at any one time must be what the EFL designate a ‘Qualifying Player’.

What is a ‘Qualifying Player’ in the EFL Trophy?

A player becomes a ‘Qualifying Player’ if they hit any one of the following conditions:

- The player started for Blackpool in the Carabao Cup against Stoke City

- The player goes on to start for Blackpool against Plymouth Argyle

- The player has made over 40 senior appearances during their entire career, not just at Blackpool

- The player is in the list of 10 players at Blackpool with the highest number of starting appearances in first-team fixtures in the same season

What happens if the EFL Trophy squad selection rules are broken?

If a club does not start with – or at any time during the game fails to have – four ‘Qualifying Players’ on the field, then they can be fined.

Fines can reach up to £5,000.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Monday, September 7, 2020, 16:18:43
From the Blackpool local rag.


Thank you Blackpool.  I understand what they’re trying to achieve, but that’s pretty complex. Makes tomorrow’s selection a real challenge. 


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Monday, September 7, 2020, 16:20:01
Thank you Blackpool.  I understand what they’re trying to achieve, but that’s pretty complex. Makes tomorrow’s selection a real challenge. 

Those two goals at Anfield on Saturday have gone to their heads :(


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Monday, September 7, 2020, 16:22:22
Those two goals at Anfield on Saturday have gone to their heads :(

In fairness, their other goal (ie not Yates’ pen) was a cracker!


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Monday, September 7, 2020, 16:23:39
In fairness, their other goal (ie not Yates’ pen) was a cracker!

Even the penalty was a good one and even though they eventually got well beaten they had Liverpool on the back foot for a while


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: pauld on Monday, September 7, 2020, 16:31:50
From the Blackpool local rag.
EFL regulations state that each club must field their ‘Full Available Strength’ in and during all EFL Trophy matches.

In this competition, ‘Full Available Strength’ means that at least four players on the field at any one time must be what the EFL designate a ‘Qualifying Player’.

What is a ‘Qualifying Player’ in the EFL Trophy?

A player becomes a ‘Qualifying Player’ if they hit any one of the following conditions:

- The player started for Blackpool in the Carabao Cup against Stoke City

- The player goes on to start for Blackpool against Plymouth Argyle

- The player has made over 40 senior appearances during their entire career, not just at Blackpool

- The player is in the list of 10 players at Blackpool with the highest number of starting appearances in first-team fixtures in the same season

What happens if the EFL Trophy squad selection rules are broken?

If a club does not start with – or at any time during the game fails to have – four ‘Qualifying Players’ on the field, then they can be fined.

Fines can reach up to £5,000.
Well that's just fucking outrageous. How the bloody hell are we supposed to field four players who started for Blackpool against Stoke City or Plymouth, or who are on the list of 10 players at Blackpool with the highest number of starting appearances in first-team fixtures? Just bias, pure and simple that.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Monday, September 7, 2020, 16:33:59
Well that's just fucking outrageous. How the bloody hell are we supposed to field four players who started for Blackpool against Stoke City or Plymouth, or who are on the list of 10 players at Blackpool with the highest number of starting appearances in first-team fixtures? Just bias, pure and simple that.
It works, the other way round, though.  Blackpool have to field four players who previously played for Swindon.  Easy.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: pauld on Monday, September 7, 2020, 16:34:20
It works, the other way round, though.  Blackpool have to field four players who previously played for Swindon.  Easy.
Not if they have to have played for us against Stoke


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, September 7, 2020, 16:45:50
Well that's just fucking outrageous. How the bloody hell are we supposed to field four players who started for Blackpool against Stoke City or Plymouth, or who are on the list of 10 players at Blackpool with the highest number of starting appearances in first-team fixtures? Just bias, pure and simple that.
TBH it needs a bloody lawyer to see who qualifies and who doesn't going by those rules!

Its great that the EFL make it so easy to follow.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Monday, September 7, 2020, 16:47:23
TBH it needs a bloody lawyer to see who qualifies and who doesn't going by those rules!

Its great that the EFL make it so easy to follow.

You get penalised less in the FA Cup


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, September 7, 2020, 16:51:21
You get penalised less in the FA Cup
For such a Mickey Mouse competition the fines are way out of all proportion to the importance of the cup.

More so at this point of the season with player fitness issues and with Covid constraints, the EFL should have just waved the rules certainly for the early stages of the competition if not got rid of the thing all together.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Monday, September 7, 2020, 16:54:44
For such a Mickey Mouse competition the fines are way out of all proportion to the importance of the cup.

More so at this point of the season with player fitness issues and with Covid constraints, the EFL should have just waved the rules certainly for the early stages of the competition if not got rid of the thing all together.
It really is crazy.  I bet every team is using these games as pre-season warm-ups. Or at least trying to!


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Monday, September 7, 2020, 17:19:38
For such a Mickey Mouse competition the fines are way out of all proportion to the importance of the cup.

More so at this point of the season with player fitness issues and with Covid constraints, the EFL should have just waved the rules certainly for the early stages of the competition if not got rid of the thing all together.
And how do those bloody rules work for an Under 21 side?  I would assume that not many of their players would meet the requirements.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, September 7, 2020, 17:19:59
So if he starts Palmer and hope, then that’s half of the qualifying players needed?

Add in pitman and then I assume one of baudry/conroy, and that’s met the bill hasn’t it?

It’s a bit of a convoluted rule, but it’s not *that* prohibitive


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: pauld on Monday, September 7, 2020, 17:45:29
And how do those bloody rules work for an Under 21 side?  I would assume that not many of their players would meet the requirements.
They don't apply to the U21 teams. Everyone knows the rules don't apply to PL teams


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Monday, September 7, 2020, 17:52:04
They don't apply to the U21 teams. Everyone knows the rules don't apply to PL teams
Everyone except me, then.  Unless you’re saying that PL teams ignore all rules as a matter of course. Bastards!


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Monday, September 7, 2020, 17:59:40
Well - here we go, then.  WBA’s “Under 21” side has magically changed on WBA’s Home Page to “PL2” and “Under 23”.

“ALBION’S PL2 SIDE SET FOR SWINDON TEST IN EFL TROPHY

Albion Under-23s will take on Swindon Town at the County Ground in their first group game of the EFL Trophy on Tuesday night (ko 7pm).

The young Baggies have been drawn into Group E of the competition, with Exeter City and Forest Green Rovers the other two teams competing with Albion to make it to the knockout stages.

Deon Burton’s men will make their return to the tournament, which allows under-23s teams to gain experience against Football League opposition, after a season away from it.

They are in the Southern Section of the competition and will play their second group game in October, with their final group match taking place in November.“

Bastards! Cunts!  :D


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: pauld on Monday, September 7, 2020, 18:51:03
Well - here we go, then.  WBA’s “Under 21” side has magically changed on WBA’s Home Page to “PL2” and “Under 23”.
They're the same thing.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: donkey on Monday, September 7, 2020, 19:02:53
I hope we have no injuries, no sending off, and lose 1-0. The sooner were out of this bollocks the better.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, September 7, 2020, 19:06:45
I hope we have no injuries, no sending off, and lose 1-0. The sooner were out of this bollocks the better.
The result is immaterial TBH anyway as we still have to face Exeter and FGR in this competition so at least another 2 matches must be played.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Monday, September 7, 2020, 19:21:42
The result is immaterial TBH anyway as we still have to face Exeter and FGR in this competition so at least another 2 matches must be played.

At least the crowds can't get any smaller😁


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Monday, September 7, 2020, 19:30:13
I hope we have no injuries, no sending off, and lose 1-0. The sooner were out of this bollocks the better.
Just make sure you don’t head the ball, donkey! :deadhorse:


Title: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Monday, September 7, 2020, 20:15:33
Quote
The result is immaterial TBH anyway as we still have to face Exeter and FGR in this competition so at least another 2 matches must be played.
yeah, but hopefully not 3 matches.


got enough midweek games and a squad that may have a soft underbelly outside the main men


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: donkey on Monday, September 7, 2020, 20:47:04
The result is immaterial TBH anyway as we still have to face Exeter and FGR in this competition so at least another 2 matches must be played.


True, but we don't want to accidentally get through. 3 games in this is bad enough.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Monday, September 7, 2020, 20:51:20


True, but we don't want to accidentally get through. 3 games in this is bad enough.

I bet power wants to progress


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, September 7, 2020, 21:27:41
I hope we have no injuries, no sending off, and lose 1-0. The sooner were out of this bollocks the better.
Sending offs don’t matter as it’s such a pointless competition even bookings and sending offs don’t carry over.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: donkey on Monday, September 7, 2020, 21:33:08
Sending offs don’t matter as it’s such a pointless competition even bookings and sending offs don’t carry over.
Oh that's something, then.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 07:05:06
I bet power wants to progress
Very much doubt it. It's all cost until you get to the final and an extra strain on what is likely to be an already overburdened squad. I doubt Power would be looking forward to funding an extra loan or emergency Jan signing to cover the cost of players injured in additional pointless fixtures


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 10:18:03
Very much doubt it. It's all cost until you get to the final and an extra strain on what is likely to be an already overburdened squad. I doubt Power would be looking forward to funding an extra loan or emergency Jan signing to cover the cost of players injured in additional pointless fixtures
I’m inclined to agree with that. It’s pretty clear that to survive in L1, given the quality of many of the other clubs, we will need a bigger and better squad than last year.  We spent a lot of last season moaning about how shitty L2 is, and now we’re out of it we must raise our standards which means spending.  I don’t see these tinpot cup comps as having any relevance for us at all this season.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 11:09:35
Where can we watch/listen


Title: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 11:16:39
Quote
Where can we watch/listen
ifollow for watching £10 (unless IPTV has it, soapy tit wank)

bbc wilts for listening. not sure if online is blocked, probably as measure and proper cup are


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 11:59:57
I will have a watch later as its part of the video season ticket pass.

The result is immaterial but I am watching because I wish to see the new signings playing in a 1st team match for Swindon and because its my club of course, New signings Fryer, M Smith, Palmer, Pitman and any other players he dares play.

Although the game can be classed as little more than a friendly I still want to see the new players before they are thrown in at the deep end for the Town.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 12:01:25
I will have a watch later as its part of the video season ticket pass.
I'd like to say I'm boycotting it but as I can't get iFollow to work for games I have paid for, it's probably a moot point :)


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 12:04:15
I'd like to say I'm boycotting it but as I can't get iFollow to work for games I have paid for, it's probably a moot point :)
Maybe iFollow can just tell that you’re not interested, and saves you the bother of sitting on your arse for 90 minutes watching meaningless crap. 
Oh, sorry, that’s daytime TV. :zzz:


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 12:42:42
Maybe iFollow can just tell that you’re not interested, and saves you the bother of sitting on your arse for 90 minutes watching meaningless crap. 
You are assuming that he/we all wouldn't be doing that even if we didn't have a game? :)


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 12:50:55
I'll probably pop it on in the background while working later.  Couldn't we magic up a little possible Coronavirus outbreak before declaring all the players tested and free?


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 13:01:12
You are assuming that he/we all wouldn't be doing that even if we didn't have a game? :)
There is always that option, of course.  After all, 9 out of 10 cats does Countdown! :nod:


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 14:27:48
Do we get to watch this one on ifollow? 


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 14:28:53
Do we get to watch this one on ifollow? 
It appears to be available to all, and the Mickey Mouse cup is not covered by the outside UK ban that the FA and EFL cups are subject to.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 14:48:53
Do we get to watch this one on ifollow? 
Do you really want to ??.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 14:56:58
Do you really want to ??.

Not all that fussed, but it is the first 'competitive' game for me and I would like to see some of our new players in action.

I could just a easily choose to get some more work done instead.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 15:04:24
I’ll watch it tomorrow. Hopefully without knowing the result.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 15:08:29
I’ll watch it tomorrow. Hopefully without knowing the result.

Best keep off the forum then :eek:


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 15:21:40
BBQ this evening!


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 15:23:28
BBQ this evening!
Socially distanced, I trust! :eekout:


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 16:50:49
Socially distanced, I trust! :eekout:

Depends if eating alone :headhurts:


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 16:58:13
Depends if eating alone :headhurts:
Now, a solo barbecue is a lonely place! 
It’s enough to drive a man to either drink or watching the Carabao Cup
(or even both).
:cry: :pint: :pint:


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 17:36:51
Not all that fussed, but it is the first 'competitive' game for me and I would like to see some of our new players in action.

I could just a easily choose to get some more work done instead.
Exactly my view.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 17:46:39
Is this an early kickoff?  Teams just been announced.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 17:46:48
yes. 7pm


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 17:54:40
Will be interesting to see how Smith M gets on tonight with Lyden's place up for grabs.

Noticed that he was ready to come on in place of JL on Saturday but they put Smith J on instead.

An empty stadium doesn't prevent music being played it would seem.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 17:59:02
That line up tells me that Wellens/Power could not care less about the fine.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:03:02
anyone watching from abroad? is the game included or are you being asked to buy a match pass?


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:06:31
That line up tells me that Wellens/Power could not care less about the fine.
They’ve probably told the EFL to take the fine and stuff it unless The EFL agree to ensure Derby agree to pay us our £3m or whatever it should be.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:08:52
anyone watching from abroad? is the game included or are you being asked to buy a match pass?

Yep, it's loaded up fine.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:10:53
Watched the Holland vs Italy game yesterday, it was evident how the fitness levels dropped off around the 60 minute mark.  Players bending over after a run, some laying on the ground a bit after losing the ball, generally obvious players were not match fit yet, plus some cramp.  If that's what it looks like at International level, I can only imagine how off the pace it will be at our level for a few weeks yet.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:11:08
Yep, it's loaded up fine.

Thanks, the person had not noticed payment being reflected earlier in week.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:13:31
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhaDZpbWkAUEq9s?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

A stronger line up than I expected TBH.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:17:00
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhaDZpbWkAUEq9s?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

A stronger line up than I expected TBH.
Not a bad team.  Interesting that Kovar still between the posts and Payne stays in. Good potential up front.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:18:19
They’ve probably told the EFL to take the fine and stuff it unless The EFL agree to ensure Derby agree to pay us our £3m or whatever it should be.

I’m pretty sure we avoid the fine because we have 4 players in the 11 that were involved on Saturday.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:21:16
I’m pretty sure we avoid the fine because we have 4 players in the 11 that were involved on Saturday.
The rules have changed a bit this season.

Quote
EFL regulations state that each club must field their ‘Full Available Strength’ in and during all EFL Trophy matches.

In this competition, ‘Full Available Strength’ means that at least four players on the field at any one time must be what the EFL designate a ‘Qualifying Player’.

What is a ‘Qualifying Player’ in the EFL Trophy?

A player becomes a ‘Qualifying Player’ if they hit any one of the following conditions:

- The player started for Swindon in the Carabao Cup against Charlton

- The player goes on to start for Swindon against Rochdale

- The player has made over 40 senior appearances during their entire career, not just at Swindon

- The player is in the list of 10 players at Swindon with the highest number of starting appearances in first-team fixtures in the same season

What happens if the EFL Trophy squad selection rules are broken?

If a club does not start with – or at any time during the game fails to have – four ‘Qualifying Players’ on the field, then they can be fined.

Fines can reach up to £5,000.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:30:11
It could just be me and a hazy memory, but I don;t ever remember hearing Caddis speak before and, to me, he sounds like Macari.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:35:25
Wellens sounds like hes taking it very seriously and wants to win it.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:36:18
Ex Town youth player Windsor starting up front for WBA tonight.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:36:47
With Odimayo playing tonight despite his cramp issues Saturday you’d hope that points to us having Baudry available for Saturday.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:37:55
Wellens taking the tournament seriously and thinks we can go along way


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:38:31
The same Wellens who is playing Curran?


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:39:49
The same Wellens who is playing Curran?

Only going on what he's said on BBC Wilts


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:41:57
I'm not trying to deny he's saying that. It's just that for me the team he's put out does not reflect that.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:42:50
The same Wellens who is playing Curran?
I think hes saving Fryers and Baudry for the league and not risking them, we have no other options at CB.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:43:58
I'm not trying to deny he's saying that. It's just that for me the team he's put out does not reflect that.

I thinks he's trying to mix & match


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:50:04
delayed kick off? crowd congestion


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:50:37
delayed kick off? crowd congestion
The ref needed a piss.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:51:33
BBC Wilts comms are online on the BBC website.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:54:20
Very good effort by Jonny Smith from a short corner. He looks great cutting inside from the right wing.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: digby on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:56:25
This game isn't showing as an option on iFollow for me - is that because its started, does it prevent you buying the match pass ?


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 18:58:57
Arsenal Smith pulling all the strings in midfield in the early stages - looks like he has a point to prove.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:01:03
Is it just me or is the Ifollow footage very stuttery when the camera moves side to side? - seems fine when the camera is stationary but a little glitchy when it moves.  I didn't notice that last season..


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:01:30
Very good effort by Jonny Smith from a short corner. He looks great cutting inside from the right wing.

I read that his preferred position is actually on the left side although he's happy as a no10 or on the right wing


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:01:48
Arsenal Smith pulling all the strings in midfield in the early stages - looks like he has a point to prove.
He does look pretty decent playing in the defensive midfield position, favours his left foot and drifts wide left often, he does hit his passes with a lot of power.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:02:06
This game isn't showing as an option on iFollow for me - is that because its started, does it prevent you buying the match pass ?

Once you've logged on select the 'Next Match' drop down option from the Ifollow tab. you can then select listen or watch from there



Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:02:38
Caddis looking fitter too.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:04:25
Curran lucky to not give away a penalty, huge hole in our defence between Iandolo and Odimayo.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:05:01
A couple of players (Ferry was one) immediately reacted to the overweight picture of Caddis by saying he'd be ready for the season.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:06:04
1st chance for Pitman, nice turn but couldnt get the shot in from a Caddis cross.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: digby on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:08:38
Once you've logged on select the 'Next Match' drop down option from the Ifollow tab. you can then select listen or watch from there


Only the Rochdale game is showing under Next Match, there isn't a drop down option !  :badmood:


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: AldbourneRed on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:12:09
Click on Matches at the top of the page, then the Live Match Centre button underneath the score, then click the Watch Live Now button and it'll take you to the payment screen if you don't already have a pass


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:12:20
Pitman wide from 20 yards, J Smith should have hit the ball earlier though but kept the ball well.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:13:56
Palmer looking good in posession but not so good chasing the ball down, hes playing a bit deep to have an impact.

Hope looking a bit off the pace.

Pitman looking lively and certainly not like he hasn't started a game this year.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:17:04
Was just thinking that Palmer does not look out of place in Midfield, athough I agree his closing down when we haven't got the ball is less visible.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:17:05
0-1 to baggies.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:17:41
Caddis should have been closer as he broke and Curran made a half hearted attempt to tackle, Kovar no chance.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:17:41
oh


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:19:32
I don't see a future for Curran. Its somewhat of a mystery that we gave him a 3 year contract in the summer.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:20:07
I'm calling this early, Curran is not going to play much in League One, and if he does we are in trouble.  He's well below this standard.

Caddis look every bit an unfit player right now.

Iandolo - I'm trying to like him, but he still looks suspect against an Under 21 team.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:20:08
Going a goal down, not important, the way it was conceded is more concerning, he had too much space and time. Curran isn't good enough.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:20:54
Riddick beat me to it on Curran


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:21:31

Iandolo - I'm trying to like him, but he still looks suspect against an Under 21 team.

Just got to put up with him until Donohue is in the building in a couple of weeks.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:22:07
Going a goal down, not important, the way it was conceded is more concerning, he had too much space and time. Curran isn't good enough.

I'd only be worried if the back 4 plus the midfield two was what we would start most games with.  Caddis will get fitter, Palmer and Smith won;t be played as a midfield two very often, if at all, outside this type of game.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:22:17
I don't think Caddis looks unfit as such, hes bombing forwards a lot, but he looks not match sharp.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:22:31
Curran is miles off being a starter in a league 1 team, as is Iandolo.
We really need our centre backs to stay fit this season, or get another in. Also Donohue signing can’t come quick enough.


Title: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:22:43
he's not long come back from injury. he'll be fine (caddis)


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:23:30
Just got to put up with him until Donohue is in the building in a couple of weeks.

He's not terrible, in fact, with the ball he can sometimes look quite silky.  It's almost as if he gets caught watching the game and loses where he is on the pitch at times.  It then creates a sort of rabbit in a headlights approach to defending at times.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:24:10
I'd only be worried if the back 4 plus the midfield two was what we would start most games with.  Caddis will get fitter, Palmer and Smith won;t be played as a midfield two very often, if at all, outside this type of game.
I think Matt Smith has played at least as well as Doughty did on Saturday so far, Palmer and Smith do not compliment each other though.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:24:42
Only the Rochdale game is showing under Next Match, there isn't a drop down option !  :badmood:

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/matches/fixtures/


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:24:53
Iandolo sometimes looks like he is playing in slow motion, or is so confused and doesn't know what to do and just stalls.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:25:18
I don't think Caddis looks unfit as such, hes bombing forwards a lot, but he looks not match sharp.

He's playing in energy conservation mode - little bursts, but he's allowing himself a break at times.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:26:11
Curran is our 6th choice. Hopefully we ship him out on loan, especially if we bring another one in.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:26:52
Good effort by Pitman inches past the far post from 15 yards.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:27:38
As I typed about Caddis, he strolled off to have an argument with the ref and couldn't be arsed with going back to right back so played midfield for a couple of minutes.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:27:40
inches wide that from Pitman. good move


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:27:58
Going a goal down, not important, the way it was conceded is more concerning, he had too much space and time. Curran isn't good enough.
I suspect he’s writing himself out of Wellens’ plans!


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:28:07
Curran is our 6th choice. Hopefully we ship him out on loan, especially if we bring another one in.

Indeed. We are not going to have the biggest squad but will have 7 CB's potentially. Obviously we have injured players to take care of but carrying 7 in a squad seems bizarre.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:28:30
was he ever in Wellens plans


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:29:51
Caddis is now right wing, bless him.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:30:01
was he ever in Wellens plans

Who signed him, was it Brown or Wellens?

Wasn't there some weird conspiracy about some Power and Curran relationship.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:30:02
Caddis shoots wide from a similar position to what Pitman shot from, with a shot further away from its target though.


Title: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:30:20
caddis should have hit target

another useful move


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:30:29
was he ever in Wellens plans
He must have been signed up for some reason.  Perhaps he’s Power’s love child! 👶


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:30:49
Wasn't there some weird conspiracy about some Power and Curran relationship.
Yes you can put it that way!


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:31:25
BTW. anyone listening to the commentators would have a totally different opinion of the game than watching it.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:32:28
BTW. anyone listening to the commentators would have a totally different opinion of the game than watching it.

Agreed. The unfortunate sods who only have the radio.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:32:39
BTW. anyone listening to the commentators would have a totally different opinion of the game than watching it.
I agree.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:33:30
BTW. anyone listening to the commentators would have a totally different opinion of the game than watching it.

They're bizarrely negative. We're in complete control. WBA are good in transition though.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:33:39
it's, er, it's alright I suppose


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:33:52
I agree.
What are they saying? Curran world class?


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:34:09
It's not a good ball, it's a terrible ball!  What are they watching.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:34:39
I agree.

You need to have a word with your mate😁


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:35:05
Yes we aren't playing THAT badly at all, we have created a few more chances than on Saturday so far. And Payne, J Smith and Caddis are doing well down the right wing.


Title: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:35:11
odimayo is defending better today.

not sure he's going to be a ball player though


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:35:28
You need to have a word with your mate😁
He doesn't listen to me, but I will pass on your thoughts!


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:36:00
odimayo is defending better today.
Hes playing alright TBF but hes up against players of a far lower standard than Bonne and Aneke.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:36:40
What are they saying? Curran world class?

No, it's more the shape of play they seem oddly at odds with.  They seem to have applied about 30 seconds of the game to develop a theory that Caddis and Iandalo were dominating the wings.  Earlier they mentioned how we were not creating anything, literally within a minute of us creating a very good opening.  It's really odd little things that I cannot compute with what they eyes are seeing.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:36:52
He doesn't listen to me, but I will pass on your thoughts!

It dosen't look like he's going to miss any games! What's happened to Steve white


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:37:43
BTW. anyone listening to the commentators would have a totally different opinion of the game than watching it.
Not just me then. First time I heard the radio commentary in years at the weekend and they were pretty awful.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:37:56
Good effort from Payne from 20 yards, easy save though.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:38:06
HT 0-1


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:38:09
BTW. anyone listening to the commentators would have a totally different opinion of the game than watching it.

I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking this.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:38:20
Hes playing alright TBF but hes up against players of a far lower standard than Bonne and Aneke.

Kovar is the most dominating centre half on the pitch for us right now, that's the issue I think.  Odimayo looks a better prospect than Curran but he's still not a confident, dominating centre half.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:40:01
Kovar is the most dominating centre half on the pitch for us right now, that's the issue I think.  Odimayo looks a better prospect than Curran but he's still not a confident, dominating centre half.
He looks every bit as good as Benda so far to me, great distribution and pace and good handling.

Palmer and Hope have not impressed me much so far, Matt Smith looks very promising though and we need to get teh ball to Jonny Smith more often.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:42:16
I think we look decent at times going forwards. West Brom are playing defensively with two banks of 4 and just trying to hit us on the break a lot of the time, which is always going to stifle creativity.

We're poor defensively, but I really think that's to be expected considering who's playing. Having somebody like Grant or Lyden would make a difference as well.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: mexico red on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:43:01
I’ve thought Palmer has been very good. Always available for the pass, distribution finding his man, grown into the game. That last move was totally down to him. Play him next to grant would be a great combination


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:43:46
We have had 71.1% possession!

9 shots to 2

And a passing accuracy of 84%


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:45:23
Exposing Curran and Odimayo behind a midfield that strays from position so often is probably a bit of an education for them.

Think that;'s the issue today - Palmer and Smith both look like they;d fit in well with Grant.  When they get on the ball they pass it well and move well.  What they also do is get attracted to attacks at the same time and leave the midfield wide open.  Behind them you then have two defenders who do not look overly confident in their ability to dominate.

Kovar has that certain something about him, like Benda did.  I have no idea if it is well placed yet, but he certainly fancies himself.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:48:02
Exposing Curran and Odimayo behind a midfield that strays from position so often is probably a bit of an education for them.

Think that;'s the issue today - Palmer and Smith both look like they;d fit in well with Grant.  When they get on the ball they pass it well and move well.  What they also do is get attracted to attacks at the same time and leave the midfield wide open.  Behind them you then have two defenders who do not look overly confident in their ability to dominate.

Kovar has that certain something about him, like Benda did.  I have no idea if it is well placed yet, but he certainly fancies himself.

Agree with this..


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:48:26
I’ve thought Palmer has been very good. Always available for the pass, distribution finding his man, grown into the game. That last move was totally down to him. Play him next to grant would be a great combination
He started really poorly but has grown into the game but I think hes playing way too deep, I would prefer him in a more advanced role like Doughty plays.

I would swap Hope and play Payne wide left and push Palmer into the attacking midfielder role and bring on Grant to give the defence more protection.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:48:34
We have had 71.1% possession!

9 shots to 2

And a passing accuracy of 84%

Yep. Complete domination but lack of sharpness in the final third and a young, very unproven CB pairing struggling (although AO is doing OK.).


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:50:26
Yep. Complete domination but lack of sharpness in the final third and a young, very unproven CB pairing struggling (although AO is doing OK.).
Yes which is why I don't understand why the commentators are saying we dont look very good.

Exposed at the back with 2 very inexperienced centre backs, but still creating decent chances, its not that bad surely.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:52:14
Yes which is why I don't understand why the commentators are saying we dont look very good.


I think Andrew Hawes is being led a bit in that regard.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:52:32
I don't think there will be any desire to fix the issues tonight, for all the words of taking it seriously, this is a training session.  A chance to get match minutes in some legs.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:54:43
Andrew Hawes is pretty bad regardless of who is with him. He regularly gets lots of simple things wrong like player names. Don't rate him at all.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:55:03
I think we will see DJ coming on for Hope or Payne at some point today.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:55:07
I don't think there will be any desire to fix the issues tonight, for all the words of taking it seriously, this is a training session.  A chance to get match minutes in some legs.

  :nod:

The tempo of the game is enough to see its very much this.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:55:10
is Caddis limping or waddling?


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:56:57
Andrew Hawes is pretty bad regardless of who is with him. He regularly gets lots of simple things wrong like player names. Don't rate him at all.

Quoting myself as Hawes confuses Hope with Smith somehow, idiot.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:57:34
0-2 massive holes in the defence again at CB.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:57:44
2-0


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:58:01
oh dear.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:58:03
very sloppy defending


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:59:41
Palmer held the player up okay there, then when he and Caddis crossed paths neither took responsibility to put their foot in.

Possibly because we are treating it like a friendly again, if i'm being generous.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:02:08
Possibly because we are treating it like a friendly again, if i'm being generous.
There is definately little urgency at the back.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:03:50
Caddis is the player to watch to see how seriously we are taking this.  A minute or two back he trotted off up front.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:04:24
Just remember our run to the title last season started with a shit result in this competition against Plymouth and everyone thought we were doomed.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:04:29
Great low cross by J Smith (not Iandolo).


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:06:07
Lovely long run by J Smith.

Grant coming on.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:06:44
Palmer off for Grant.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:07:56
Town nearly score, good cross from Hope then a good one from Iandolo.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:10:50
Grant dominating already, Curran is not good enough, full stop.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:12:59
Hope going off for DJ


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:15:21
I think Tyler Smith on for Pitman/Payne will be Wellens last throw of the dice today.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:18:52
Tyler Smith on for Pitman.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:19:36
I think Tyler Smith on for Pitman/Payne will be Wellens last throw of the dice today.

Nah, I think it's all about minutes in legs.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:21:13
Hopefully RW's notepad says..

Wednesday:
Find loan moves for Curran and Iandolo, they both need some game time at NL/Lge2 level.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:22:16
Tyler Smith 1-2


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:22:16
poor and porous

it's not all bad, but not creating much clear cut - nearly but not quite on several occasions


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:22:42
soapy tit wank, guess who is behind on the stream


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:22:51
poor and porous

it's not all bad, but not creating much clear cut - nearly but not quite on several occasions

Great timiing!


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:22:58
Header at the far post from a DJ cross, nice goal.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:23:10
Don't you fucking dare equalise.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:24:42
1-3


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:24:58
WTAF is Iandolo doing there!


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:25:19
No one near him.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:25:38
smart volley but defending shite


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:26:04
Don't you fucking dare equalise.

 :D


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:26:12
2-3 Caddis


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:26:34
smart volley but defending shite

Curran is shocking.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:26:55
Hartley going on about the defence being a worry.

Fuck off. Look at who we are playing.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:27:00
What is co-commentator dribbling on about - more worrying than the weekend in defence?  Yeah, I suppose, if we dared to use that defence as a line-up in a league game, I;d wave the white flag and give the 3-0 default defeat.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:27:19
Curran is shocking.


More food for thought for RW then.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:28:46
We are playing with some urgency now.

I am sorry but Curran and Iandolo aren't good enough.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:28:55
Matt Smith needs some work - talent, but he needs to build that match experience, he's a bit all over the place trying to get involved.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:29:22
Did they mention Mark McNulty?


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:30:13
Honest question, is Hartley just there as a favour so that he doesn’t miss a game?


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:30:34
Hartley going on about the defence being a worry.

Fuck off. Look at who we are playing.

Leeds under 21 and Villa under 21s have conceded 7 tonight. We are the only side to be losing to an under 21/23 side. We aren’t exactly playing Barcelona.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:30:38
Did they mention Mark McNulty?
Yes they did saying he was linked again.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:31:00
Honest question, is Hartley just there as a favour so that he doesn’t miss a game?
Yes quite probably.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:31:28
We are playing with some urgency now.

I am sorry but Curran and Iandolo aren't good enough.

Another Agombar.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:31:45
Leeds under 21 and Villa under 21s have conceded 7 tonight. We are the only side to be losing to an under 21/23 side. We aren’t exactly playing Barcelona.

I think FH meant our defence/midfield


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:31:56
We are playing with some urgency now.

I am sorry but Curran and Iandolo aren't good enough.
Curran has just taken a catch for England against Australia.  
Two places at once - fucking Superman!


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:32:25
Ah you mean who we are playing in defence!! My apologies FH


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:32:27
Honest question, is Hartley just there as a favour so that he doesn’t miss a game?

Has to be.
Commentating is a tough job but he’s going to grate on me if I have to listen to him every game for the next couple of months.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:33:40
Leeds under 21 and Villa under 21s have conceded 7 tonight. We are the only side to be losing to an under 21/23 side. We aren’t exactly playing Barcelona.

I Know.

I mean who are WE playing in defence. IE, Curran and Omniomniom


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:34:20
Matt Smith needs some work - talent, but he needs to build that match experience, he's a bit all over the place trying to get involved.
He looks lively and his passing is good, his positioning is a bit off but he has pace and can dribble too.

He looked better when playing on the left side of midfield 1st half though.

Promising.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:35:25
I Know.

I mean who are WE playing in defence. IE, Curran and Omniomniom

Indeed! I’m a bit slow and have been drinking!


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:35:40
Another Agombar.

Rumour is his dad is putting money into the club?


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:35:51
Jeez the WBA player coming on looks about 6 foot 6.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:37:42
DJ is not back to his best yet this season.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:39:55
Is it 4-3 yet? How has Pitman looked?


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:41:02
Is it 4-3 yet? How has Pitman looked?

Pitman looked like a player who had not been on a football pitch for a long time, BUT, his instincts look good.  Tough to tell, but I think he will be a good player for us.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:44:59
Jonny Smith is going to be a key player this season I think.

Good run out this.  Some more minutes in the legs of key players and a few fringe at best players doing their case serious harm, just in time to avoid us thinking we can rely on them.

Shown a few of the players that need some more work on the training pitch.

All in all, best outcome for us I think.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:46:33
FT 2-3

We didnt play badly we just look shit at the back with reserves playing at times, many positives though IMO.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:47:42
Rumour is his dad is putting money into the club?

;)


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Super Hans on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:48:12
Two games two defeats...anyone panicking yet? But there's some right mongs having a field day on Facebook.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:50:13
I am not concerned.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:50:49
Zero points and (hopefully) zero injuries.

Perfect result.

If we were expecting to start with that defense then I would be worried. But we won't be, so I'm not. The co-commentator really seemed to ignore all context. I noticed he also didn't seem in tune with why so many people object to the competition.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:54:29
;)

Come on then Duke.... spill the beans.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:55:50
Zero points and (hopefully) zero injuries.

Perfect result.

If we were expecting to start with that defense then I would be worried. But we won't be, so I'm not. The co-commentator really seemed to ignore all context. I noticed he also didn't seem in tune with why so many people object to the competition.

Hes on a couple of thousand game run i think


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: LanderGabilondo69 on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:56:42
For those wondering how Curran gets in the team...

https://www.racehorsetrainers.org/find/trainerdetail.asp?RecID=1755

https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31534049/sean-curran---very-interesting


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:57:11
Ifollow coverage has stopped and BBC Wilts online is still broadcasting their holding message! Will have to miss Wellens post match interview then!


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 20:58:36
Currans Missus, sister or someone coincidentally with the same surname not happy on twitter with those noting the deficiency in our defence.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 21:00:20
positives: minutes into caddis, pitman, and to done extent Grant, kovar.

negatives: Johnny smith was feeling his leg 10 minutes before the end. ran ok.

the obvious is that while that defence would not start by choice, it's a worry if we have to dig that deep.. I'd hope Broadbent would help out first, but something not right there.

iandolo summed himself up. one minute he puts a good ball into the box, the next he's passing it to the opposition. if only he could get consistency.

we could have won, but who cares. Actually I'm glad we didn't


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 21:00:39
Trying to take the positives from that.
Only when we wanted to chase the game did we look threatening.
The back line apart from Caddis looked suspect however it’s not like they will feature this Saturday, we’ll definitely not two.
Tidy in places without threatening.
Jonny Smith an upgrade on Isgrove however early days to make a true assessment. Pitman visibly not ready.

Well it all starts Saturday and I’m not going to be that concerned from the last 2 games but definitely need a few additional players in.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 21:01:41
Ifollow coverage has stopped and BBC Wilts online is still broadcasting their holding message! Will have to miss Wellens post match interview then!

BBC sounds was evidently expecting the normal KO - I got to listen to the first half before the holding message kicked in at 7:45

Unfortunately - that means it'll stay on 15 mins late!


Title: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 21:03:32
Quote
Ifollow coverage has stopped and BBC Wilts online is still broadcasting their holding message! Will have to miss Wellens post match interview then!
it'll be talk of the town later... or maybe in internet live now?
------
edit: ok, just saw suggs post


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 21:11:21
it'll be talk of the town later... or maybe in internet live now?
------
edit: ok, just saw suggs post

Wow Wellens not happy,  it seems with power not getting players in he's asked for three weeks including Woolery


Title: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 21:11:28
Wellens:

- poor result against young team
- front play at times was bright
- midfield lacked legs and energy
- defence - don't need to say much, 3 shots 3 goals
- we need players, that's a promoted side, the inner belly is soft.

-we need players in, don't know why we've waited so long..

- not many shone against young oppo
- they didn't have many attacks but when they did we were all over the shop.
- expect to have better experience, better quality... we did putting balls in, their centre halfs did will
- pitman - half yard short but couple of weeks hell be fine
- wants to sign Woolery, he's sat at home and I'm trying to sign him... read into that what you want.
- tired of waiting for players.
- strong squads have finished outside playoffs, you need a squad to compete. Wycombe outliers.
- no idea if Bogle money finding down
=========
he's sounding really frustrated guys.


Title: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 21:11:50
I'd listen to that in the talk of the town of I were you.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 21:14:22
And now he wants 2 midfielders. It was one after Sat. They are all playing themselves out of the team.



Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 21:17:59
Wellens:

- poor result against young team
- front play at times was bright
- midfield lacked legs and energy
- defence - don't need to say much, 3 shots 3 goals
- we need players, that's a promoted side, the inner belly is soft.

-we need players in, don't know why we've waited so long..

- not many shone against young oppo
- they didn't have many attacks but when they did we were all over the shop.
- expect to have better experience, better quality... we did putting balls in, their centre halfs did will
- pitman - half yard short but couple of weeks hell be fine
- wants to sign Woolery, he's sat at home and I'm trying to sign him... read into that what you want.
- tired of waiting for players.
- strong squads have finished outside playoffs, you need a squad to compete. Wycombe outliers.
- no idea if Bogle money finding down
=========
he's sounding really frustrated guys.

Did he sound as pissed off as that looks?


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 21:18:53
Did he sound as pissed off as that looks?

Ive never heard him that pissed off before


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 21:29:53
Woolery had a tour at Tranmere yesterday then


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 21:30:09
Obviously I don’t know the ins and outs, and without knowing what our budget is, my first thought is Wellens needs to be a bit more realistic with regards to transfers.
Power has always made sure our wage budget is affordable and we don’t overspend. So when we haven’t had any income for 6 months, what is Wellens expecting?
I can’t imagine Pitman, Grant and Fryers are cheap, so he’s clearly had a bit of money spent on wages already.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: hefty toe on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 21:37:20
Obviously I don’t know the ins and outs, and without knowing what our budget is, my first thought is Wellens needs to be a bit more realistic with regards to transfers.
Power has always made sure our wage budget is affordable and we don’t overspend. So when we haven’t had any income for 6 months, what is Wellens expecting?
I can’t imagine Pitman, Grant and Fryers are cheap, so he’s clearly had a bit of money spent on wages already.

I agree.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Super Hans on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 21:37:29
First time Wellens has rubbed me up the wrong way.

He's always said how well Power has backed him and now all of a sudden he appears to be criticising the recruitment? Not great before the league has even started.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 21:38:59
I was going to say, someone needs to let Wellens in on the secret about a worldwide pandemic pretty much ripping up the clubs income.  In all fairness though, I think he knows how to play it with the media.  Hep spent most of last season saying we were short.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 21:41:42
I didn't hear it, but he does like to play games.

He might have just been saying stuff for any agents that might be hearing and trying to ask for too much.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: china red on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 21:42:43
We have a manager who is a winner, of course he wants more and better players, he wants to challenge


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 21:43:48
I didn't hear it, but he does like to play games.

He might have just been saying stuff for any agents that might be hearing and trying to ask for too much.

Rob Hartley said it made the hairs stand up on his neck and described Wellens as prickly


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 21:49:58
First time Wellens has rubbed me up the wrong way.

Same as, quite frankly he came across as a right tit in that interview

Hopefully he’s just having one of those days


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 21:51:30
Hartley was a rare positive tonight - I always enjoy him on the comms. Hopefully a mainstay for the time being so we don’t have to suffer Hockaday!


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 21:57:06
Hartley was a rare positive tonight - I always enjoy him on the comms. Hopefully a mainstay for the time being so we don’t have to suffer Hockaday!

Trolling as ever right? Listening to that commentary duo results in you having no idea what is going on?


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 21:59:53
We have a manager who is a winner, of course he wants more and better players, he wants to challenge

Spot on.
Wellens likes a moan, nothing wrong with that and he is clearly frustrated.
Let’s hope we can get a few more in.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 22:03:51
Hartley was a rare positive tonight - I always enjoy him on the comms. Hopefully a mainstay for the time being so we don’t have to suffer Hockaday!

Did you watch the game?

Genuine question.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Super Hans on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 22:05:56
We have a manager who is a winner, of course he wants more and better players, he wants to challenge

I get that but it's not Football Manager. I think all of the players we have carrying injuries were signed by him. We're not short at centre back for example but our centre backs are injury prone players, Wellens brought in two of them.

Unless he knows we've got money to spent but are holding back on doing certain deals.

Im sure it'll be alright come the end of the window.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 22:09:35
well, either he's been given a budget, has some left now isn't allowed to spend it

or he's being unrealistic.

no idea which


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: WellensOUT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 22:20:16
Kovar is the BIGGEST WASTE OF SPACE ever to wear the shirt, get that fuckshit gone.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 22:21:58
Wellens cannot say he hasn’t been backed this summer, not a chance in hell we would have signed Pitman, Grant, DJ etc if that was the case. To some extent he also has a hand in extending the contracts of players like Fryers who have known injury problem, when we could have released them and looked for more stable replacements..

On the flipside really all we have done is replace players we have lost, so I can understand why Wellens is looking for the extra bodies to add to the squad depth.

We are normally pretty active towards the end of the transfer window, so I am pretty confident we will get those bodies in... fingers crossed anyway!


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 22:24:42
Kovar is the BIGGEST WASTE OF SPACE ever to wear the shirt, get that fuckshit gone.

soapy tit wank


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 22:26:22
Kovar is the BIGGEST WASTE OF SPACE ever to wear the shirt, get that fuckshit gone.

I think you've got lost along the A420


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: WellensOUT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 22:27:55
I think you've got lost along the A420

FUCK OFF CUNT

If you do not like my opinion, then fuck you. I will meet any of you cunts for dust up, any fucking time, and when I am done with you, I will shit in your mouth.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: WellensOUT on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 22:30:23
ANY MORE FOR ANY MORE >>> ?????


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 22:31:22
I like him - can we keep him?


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 22:31:56
CUNTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Welcome to the forum, what’s your favourite cheese?


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Miles Mayhem on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 22:32:16
FUCK OFF CUNT

If you do not like my opinion, then fuck you. I will meet any of you cunts for dust up, any fucking time, and when I am done with you, I will shit in your mouth.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha more, please more


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 22:32:21
Is it walker :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 22:32:41
Or is Dossy back


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 22:43:10
FUCK OFF CUNT

If you do not like my opinion, then fuck you. I will meet any of you cunts for dust up, any fucking time, and when I am done with you, I will shit in your mouth.

Based on his post match interview, for a moment I wondered if this was Wellens himself posting.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Rapidflyer on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 22:47:07
positives: minutes into caddis, pitman, and to done extent Grant, kovar.

negatives: Johnny smith was feeling his leg 10 minutes before the end. ran ok.

the obvious is that while that defence would not start by choice, it's a worry if we have to dig that deep.. I'd hope Broadbent would help out first, but something not right there.

iandolo summed himself up. one minute he puts a good ball into the box, the next he's passing it to the opposition. if only he could get consistency.

we could have won, but who cares. Actually I'm glad we didn't

Jonny rolled his ankle , some swelling as the guy also stood on it...  ::)
Played on and was unlucky with that 1-2 at the end which Tyler was a few inches away but the benefit was more minutes in the legs.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 22:48:37
Just like that he’s gone

Better to have loved and lost then never to have loved though


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 22:48:42
Jonny rolled his ankle , some swelling as the guy also stood on it...  ::)
Played on and was unlucky with that 1-2 at the end which Tyler was a few inches away but the benefit was more minutes in the legs.


Doubtful for Saturday I would imagine


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 23:12:45
TOTT

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08qx9bb


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Super Hans on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 23:22:19
Welcome to the forum, what’s your favourite cheese?
Knob cheese is the logical answer.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 23:26:06
Brie. Soft and mild.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 09:32:49
Well, drinking on a school night didn't go well lat night then it seems..


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: tans on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 11:56:05
Just reading the player ratings for last night.

Curran got a 2.

Dont think ive ever seen a 2 before!


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 12:03:24
Just reading the player ratings for last night.

Curran got a 2.

Dont think ive ever seen a 2 before!

That's going to piss his missus off.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 12:07:52
That's going to piss his missus off.

I missed all her tweets, anyone got a link?


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 12:08:50
Just reading the player ratings for last night.

Curran got a 2.

Dont think ive ever seen a 2 before!
2 is being generous, he was like Robertson all over again.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 12:09:44
Just reading the player ratings for last night.

Curran got a 2.

Dont think ive ever seen a 2 before!
Where's that? The online version of the Adver has him as a 5, is he a 2 in the print edition?


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: tans on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 12:12:31
Total sport website


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 12:20:13
Blimey, didn't mince his words did he?


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 15:54:42
Perfect for this competition.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 17:00:36
The more I think about yesterday, the more I think it was a perfect game for everyone involved.  It was better than a friendly because the Manager actually seems to be annoyed at losing.  The fact we lost and exposed some frailties is also good - things we can work on that might have been ignored in a true friendly.  Then, for us fans, we thankfully lost and can get out of this shit excuse for a cup.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 17:06:54
I didn’t bother watching but if the CBs were Curran and Iandolo only letting in 3 was a result.

4 or 5 league clubs got beaten by academy sides.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 17:13:26
I didn’t bother watching but if the CBs were Curran and Iandolo only letting in 3 was a result.

4 or 5 league clubs got beaten by academy sides.
Curran and Odimayo at CB with Iandolo looking a bit lost again at LB, Caddis did well in spells at RB.

Odimayo will be ok as defensive cover, and Caddis will be good again when hes fit but the other 2 have no future in our 1st team, sorry.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 17:15:34
True dat


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 17:29:07
I thought Caddis was very poor last night, very sloppy at times.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 17:41:11
looked a bit rusty to me too


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 17:49:43
Caddis was on there to get through 90 minutes, nothing more.  He wandered around the pitch at times and was playing in little bursts of energy followed by long periods of taking a rest.  If that was a proper game, he'd have been yanked off, as it is, that was probably the expectation for him.  He's one of those players that gets fit by playing I think.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 17:52:51
he said he'd rather play Saturday/Tuesday on loop than train


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 18:00:57
Caddis is fine. People are over reacting (shock) a little again.

Can't be easy being a full back when you have no protection from midfield, no wide player helping track back and Curran inside  of you. On top of which the aim will be to not be injured for the league game on Sat.

Think we have to Hunt LB  and Caddis RB for Rochdale. Iandolo was more of a concern for me than Caddis.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 18:04:25
Caddis is fine. People are over reacting (shock) a little again.

Can't be easy being a full back when you have no protection from midfield, no wide player helping track back and Curran inside  of you. On top of which the aim will be to not be injured for the league game on Sat.

Think we have to Hunt LB  and Caddis RB for Rochdale. Iandolo was more of a concern for me than Caddis.
I agree, I thin Caddis will be RB with Hunt at LB on Saturday, the centre back pairing and Iandolo were bigger headaches.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 18:05:28
Caddis is fine. People are over reacting (shock) a little again.

Can't be easy being a full back when you have no protection from midfield, no wide player helping track back and Curran inside  of you. On top of which the aim will be to not be injured for the league game on Sat.

Think we have to Hunt LB  and Caddis RB for Rochdale. Iandolo was more of a concern for me than Caddis.
Has anyone said he isn't? He was poor last night simple as that. It's ok to criticise players for a poor performance without thinking we want him out


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 18:06:08
Iandolo just isn't a LB.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 18:06:55
Iandolo just isn't a LB.

I don't see him as a left winger which only leaves left midfield


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 18:09:26
I agree, I thin Caddis will be RB with Hunt at LB on Saturday, the centre back pairing and Iandolo were bigger headaches.
Oh, Peter, you’re getting critical of Iandolo again.  The terriers will be snapping round your heels!
Can we just hope that Curran was only being played as a favour from Power to his mate?  I can’t believe that Wellens considers him worth a place in the team.  
It’s a bit like playing the whole game with 10 men. :doh:


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 18:12:00
Oh, Peter, you’re getting critical of Iandolo again.  The terriers will be snapping round your heels!
Can we just hope that Curran was only being played as a favour from Power to his mate?  I can’t believe that Wellens considers him worth a place in the team.  
It’s a bit like playing the whole game with 10 men. :doh:

We may have played better with 10 men😁


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 18:12:50
Quote from: Flashheart
Iandolo just isn't a LB.
that's always been the problem.

he's got good technique. I just can't work out what his position is.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 18:12:56
Oh, Peter, you’re getting critical of Iandolo again.  The terriers will be snapping round your heels!
Can we just hope that Curran was only being played as a favour from Power to his mate?  I can’t believe that Wellens considers him worth a place in the team. 
It’s a bit like playing the whole game with 10 men. :doh:
Iandolo as FH says just is not a left back.

I would rather see Grant at CB alongside Odimayo if it came down to it if Baudry and fryers are not fit enough.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 18:14:10
that's always been the problem.

he's got good technique. I just can't work out what his position is.

I think last season he was showing signs of being a decent winger/attacking midfielder.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 18:17:34
I think last season he was showing signs of being a decent winger/attacking midfielder.
Ditto, going forwards he looks quite handy at times but defending is not the strong point of his game and never will be. He could well be ok with Hunt or Donohue sat in behind him allowing him to get caught upfield without having to track back so much, but not as the lone left sided defender.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 18:19:57
It was unfortunate for him that he got his injury when he did. With the run of games he was having, he was beginning to have more of an impact.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 19:17:11
The way I see it, and probably discussed this before, is Iandolo suffers from a few issues.  Firstly, he is strong technically, but not so great tactically.  The coaches will see his technique and think they can coach the tactical awareness into him.  Generally speaking, full backs are great positions to play players who are maybe a bit suspect tactically, or even with their technique.  A sort of hiding place in a team, and I think Iandolo has also suffered here because he is left footed.  He has never managed to convince anyone of what position he can play, has never stamped authority on what he wants to be I guess.  As a result, we try him out in positions - he's probably played four or five in his time so far.  He doesn't really get time to understand and learn the position.  Add in that he often plays alongside less experienced players, they probably have enough on their plate than to worry about coaching him through a game.  I think he is the prime example of a player who has suffered by not going out on loan.  We should have had him playing week in and week out, insisting on the position he plays as well.

My worry for him is it maybe too late now to coach what is needed in him unless we have an experienced player at left centre back.  He seems too useful to loan out and too unreliable to rely on.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 19:26:07
The way I see it, and probably discussed this before, is Iandolo suffers from a few issues.  Firstly, he is strong technically, but not so great tactically.  The coaches will see his technique and think they can coach the tactical awareness into him.  Generally speaking, full backs are great positions to play players who are maybe a bit suspect tactically, or even with their technique.  A sort of hiding place in a team, and I think Iandolo has also suffered here because he is left footed.  He has never managed to convince anyone of what position he can play, has never stamped authority on what he wants to be I guess.  As a result, we try him out in positions - he's probably played four or five in his time so far.  He doesn't really get time to understand and learn the position.  Add in that he often plays alongside less experienced players, they probably have enough on their plate than to worry about coaching him through a game.  I think he is the prime example of a player who has suffered by not going out on loan.  We should have had him playing week in and week out, insisting on the position he plays as well.

My worry for him is it maybe too late now to coach what is needed in him unless we have an experienced player at left centre back.  He seems too useful to loan out and too unreliable to rely on.
Good analysis.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 19:29:17
Due to the new government restrictions that no more than six people can meet up in one place, I have to inform you that the annual meeting of The Taylor Curran Appreciation Society planned for October will be going ahead as normal.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 20:06:06
Iandolo as FH says just is not a left back.

I would rather see Grant at CB alongside Odimayo if it came down to it if Baudry and fryers are not fit enough.

I would rather have Football Phil making a nuisance of himself at CB than risking Curran again.
Needs to be loaned out. That last night was a real concern allowing to get turned over virtually every time against untried 21 year old kids.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 20:23:54
It was unfortunate for him that he got his injury when he did. With the run of games he was having, he was beginning to have more of an impact.

Aye, agree with this. I think this is why Wellens will persist with him because he knows there is a player in there. As previously said, PV and many others too, Ian is more of a player for a position advanced up the field. With any of Donohue, Caddis or Hunt behind him he can flourish.

In part and played right he would be quite the luxury player; the trouble is, can Town accommodate a passenger type of player, especially as we're not likely to be building a team around Ian anytime soon. Different player but Keshi was a similar example of this.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 20:25:30
Due to the new government restrictions that no more than six people can meet up in one place, I have to inform you that the annual meeting of The Taylor Curran Appreciation Society planned for October will be going ahead as normal.

...and in a cost saving measure that has been deemed best for all parties, The Jamie Sendles-White and Harry Agombar Appreciation Societies will now also be booked into the same venue  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 20:30:20
Unfortunately with Iandolo he’s gone backwards as a defender. He was scared to tackle or risk being on the receiving end of a tackle prior to his injury now he barely dares go in at all as he’s obviously very wary after a bad injury so not sure he’s much use at left back currently.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Nijholts Nuts on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 21:16:04
...and in a cost saving measure that has been deemed best for all parties, The Jamie Sendles-White and Harry Agombar Appreciation Societies will now also be booked into the same venue  :girlgiggle:
With guest speaker, Milan Misun.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 21:16:50
...and in a cost saving measure that has been deemed best for all parties, The Jamie Sendles-White and Harry Agombar Appreciation Societies will now also be booked into the same venue  :girlgiggle:
Also at the same time!


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 21:23:08
With guest speaker, Milan Misun.

Live entertainment provided by Callum Rice, have it on authority it will be ' Yinka Casal & The Ever Extending Entourage'

Oh biggar, scrap that as live performance has been royally fucked over!

Also at the same time!

Aye yeah, forgot to add that  :pint:


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 21:58:10
The way I see it, and probably discussed this before, is Iandolo suffers from a few issues.  Firstly, he is strong technically, but not so great tactically.  The coaches will see his technique and think they can coach the tactical awareness into him.  Generally speaking, full backs are great positions to play players who are maybe a bit suspect tactically, or even with their technique.  A sort of hiding place in a team, and I think Iandolo has also suffered here because he is left footed.  He has never managed to convince anyone of what position he can play, has never stamped authority on what he wants to be I guess.  As a result, we try him out in positions - he's probably played four or five in his time so far.  He doesn't really get time to understand and learn the position.  Add in that he often plays alongside less experienced players, they probably have enough on their plate than to worry about coaching him through a game.  I think he is the prime example of a player who has suffered by not going out on loan.  We should have had him playing week in and week out, insisting on the position he plays as well.

My worry for him is it maybe too late now to coach what is needed in him unless we have an experienced player at left centre back.  He seems too useful to loan out and too unreliable to rely on.

Iandolo is a utility squad man, probably quite cheap.  He hasn't played for about 9 months, so will need a bit of time to get back up to speed.

BTW, in the modern game full back is an important creative position, hence why 2 of the top 3 assist providers last season in the Prem were full backs.  TA-A is noticably not great defensively, Andrew Robertson  probably a bit better, but Liverpool were champions of Europe the season before using their attacking abilities and not worrying so much about their defending.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 22:34:00
Iandolo is a utility squad man, probably quite cheap.  He hasn't played for about 9 months, so will need a bit of time to get back up to speed.

BTW, in the modern game full back is an important creative position, hence why 2 of the top 3 assist providers last season in the Prem were full backs.  TA-A is noticably not great defensively, Andrew Robertson  probably a bit better, but Liverpool were champions of Europe the season before using their attacking abilities and not worrying so much about their defending.

It helps when they have the best centre back in the world playing along side them in Van Dijk.
Iandolo has Taylor Curran.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 22:38:12
Just for a bit of calm and context, the Man Utd u23/u21s/Reserves spanked Media City Ammies to the tune of 6 (six) goals tonight.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: tans on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 22:43:45
Good. Fuck those wankers.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 22:46:53
Indeed, the sooner the "dream" dies for the Class of '96, the sooner Sky stop tossing themselves silly over them and they will just become another soulless non-league club.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 06:26:12
On Wellens rant, haven't we just signed lots? Seems to me we have:

Benda vs Kovar - Poss worse
Henry vs Fryer - Poss better
REG vs Odimayo - Poss worse
Anderson vs J Smith - Poss upgrade
Rose vs M Smith - Surprisingly worse on what we've seen
Isgrove vs Payne - Similar
Doyle vs Pitman - Poss similar
Yates vs T Smith - Poss similar
DJ vs DJ - Same

That leaves Muskwe and Woolery to replace and Donahue (upgrade on Reid) to come in.

So, I get the fact that we have been forced to replace people who got better offers elsewhere and couldnt get certain loans back, meaning the promotion squad has changed. But presumably Wellens had a hand in at least some, if not all of the in comings?


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 06:46:30
I’d say Payne replaces Anderson and J Smith replaces Isgrove - both upgrades

Bit tough on M Smith when we’ve hardly seen him - I’ll wager he’ll end up way better

Tbh, in my opinion, it’s centre defence we need bolstering plus one extra striker.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: pauld on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 06:58:51
Yates vs T Smith - Poss similar

That leaves Muskwe and Woolery to replace and Donahue (upgrade on Reid) to come in.
Wellens has said that T Smith is a direct replacement for Muskwe, so presumably we're still looking for the replacement for Yates


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 08:54:45
Benda vs Kovar - similar
Henry vs Fryer - better
REG vs Odimayo - worse
Anderson vs J Smith - better
Rose vs M Smith - similar
Isgrove vs Payne - better
Doyle vs Pitman - similar
Yates vs T Smith - similar
DJ vs DJ - worse (hes been poor so far)
My view from the 2 competitive games I have seen so far


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 09:00:02
Fryer is replacing McCormick as number 2 as opposed to Henry, so that’s probably worse as well.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 09:12:39
Fryer is replacing McCormick as number 2 as opposed to Henry, so that’s probably worse as well.
True I was doing the NMK compare but yes fryer is almost certainly lower standard than LMc, will only really judge when we have seen him play "in anger" though.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 09:20:01
True I was doing the NMK compare but yes fryer is almost certainly lower standard than LMc, will only really judge when we have seen him play "in anger" though.

Probably best to give him more than the 15 mins you granted Benda before saying he wasn't ready for the 1st X!.

Quote
So far, I know its only 15 mins, but Curran and Benda are not 1st team ready


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 09:46:59
Reg, out of interest how did you know PV had said that? I’m guessing it was best part of a year ago.

Do you keep notes of every opinion that is posted so you can reference them if needed? Or do you scroll back through 100’s of posts from a forum member to see if they got something wrong in hindsight?



Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 09:57:59
To be fair to Reg I remember PV saying that about Benda myself, it soon became evident he'd spoken too soon and rightly changed his opinion.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 10:06:57
Reg, out of interest how did you know PV had said that? I’m guessing it was best part of a year ago.

Do you keep notes of every opinion that is posted so you can reference them if needed? Or do you scroll back through 100’s of posts from a forum member to see if they got something wrong in hindsight?



I read what people say and have a think about it.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 10:15:21
Fair play, wish my memory was that good


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 10:20:19
Is Broadbent injured?


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: pauld on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 10:22:55
Is Broadbent injured?
He certainly was a few weeks back, not sure whether he's back in training yet or not. Although I suspect that's largely irrelevant if he doesn't feature in Wellens' plans anyway


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 10:35:48
Does he have a squad number?


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 10:36:04
He certainly was a few weeks back, not sure whether he's back in training yet or not. Although I suspect that's largely irrelevant if he doesn't feature in Wellens' plans anyway

The fact that he is out of Wellens plans yet Curran is in his plans rather suggests the stories regarding Currans position have some weight to them.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 10:36:24
He certainly was a few weeks back, not sure whether he's back in training yet or not. Although I suspect that's largely irrelevant if he doesn't feature in Wellens' plans anyway

Someone with the name Eddie Broadbent on the FB  said   " He had an op on his foot in July unfortunately it opened up which has delyed recovery as it needed packing out and stitching again"


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 10:37:48
Does he have a squad number?

Have they ben announced, the official site is woefully out of date on that topic?


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 10:38:36
I read what people say and have a think about it.
That’s pondering the ponderables!


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 10:42:25
Its all 'on paper' and we are up a league, so just for fun. Insufficient data.

Benda vs Kovar - Worse. BFG was flawless IMO. No idea on Kovar yet but tought act to follow
McC vs Fryer - Worse.
REG vs Odimayo - Poss worse
Anderson vs J Smith - Poss upgrade
Rose vs M Smith - Worse, but more likely to improve and be fit
Isgrove vs Payne - Similar. I think Payne has more goals in him, less skill
Doyle vs Pitman - Worse. Doyle v Doyle would be worse too. You can't have a season like that in l1
Yates vs T Smith - Poss similar
DJ vs DJ - Same



Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 10:48:22
Broadbent hadn't been issued a squad number at the start of the week, could still happen though I suppose, once he is over his op


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 10:55:29
Its all 'on paper' and we are up a league, so just for fun. Insufficient data.

Benda vs Kovar - Worse. BFG was flawless IMO. No idea on Kovar yet but tought act to follow


Not against Carlisle away he wasn't!

Broadbent hadn't been issued a squad number at the start of the week, could still happen though I suppose, once he is over his op
Are the squad numbers anywhere, they aren't on the official site nor Wiki? I go back to the issue that if Broadbent has been omitted and Curren included something is going on. I wonder if this harks back to the falling out Broadbent had with Wellens as noted in the podcast.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 11:00:26
Not against Carlisle away he wasn't!
Are the squad numbers anywhere, they aren't on the official site nor Wiki? I go back to the issue that if Broadbent has been omitted and Curren included something is going on. I wonder if this harks back to the falling out Broadbent had with Wellens as noted in the podcast.

They have started to add them on  the official site, but they have not purged old players etc.

For example Conroy has shifted to 4 on there from 26.

I think the only unknown one at this point is Donohue (Not yet signed) and Fryer, not yet confirmed. The rest we have seen or are listed there. Broadbent is still 5. He has not been omitted and is still recovering from injury. 100% still ahead of  Curran when fit.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 11:10:32
Not against Carlisle away he wasn't!

There you go then, I have goldfish/selective memory. I'm sure it wasn't his only less good game. A point I made with people writing Kovar off after 2 games, even though I can't think of anything he could have done beyond that Charlton one at his front post.  LMc played a bit at the start of the season while BFG bedded in too.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 11:21:47
There you go then, I have goldfish/selective memory. I'm sure it wasn't his only less good game. A point I made with people writing Kovar off after 2 games, even though I can't think of anything he could have done beyond that Charlton one at his front post.  LMc played a bit at the start of the season while BFG bedded in too.
Ffs guys! We are where we are.  Kovar must be seen as what he is - a young player with next to no experience, starting out on his professional career.  Not every young ‘keeper is going to be oven ready (thanks, Boris) and we’ve got to allow him time to grow into his role.  That said, every goalie needs a functioning defence in front of him, and Curran seems to have a sign on his head with a big arrow saying “goal this way”.  If our defence doesn’t tighten up then we’re going to see Kovar exposed several times in every game.  Personally I think the signs are pretty good with Kovar.  He certainly came well-recommended, and it’s totally unreasonable to be comparing him unfavourably with BFG, who we all have agreed is truly exceptional.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 11:23:09
^^^ nobody is disagreeing with that ^^^^

in here anyway, the FB trolls were


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 11:25:26
The BFG took time to settle as well. People remember him from the last couple of months but he was not as assured when he arrived or in his first few games.

Kovar looks exceptional to me. Good frame, great feet and distribution, superb confidence. He has had little change with the goals so far and hasn't really faced a typical game yet to judge his worth at claiming crosses etc.

More than happy at this point with the lad.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 11:40:11
Probably best to give him more than the 15 mins you granted Benda before saying he wasn't ready for the 1st X!.

I did say that and in his 1st game he looked dreadful and thanks for bothering to search back to prove a pointless point totally unconnected with my post.

I have on many occassions actually admitted I was wrong about my original assessment as KT rightly says.

it soon became evident he'd spoken too soon and rightly changed his opinion.

I have therefore did something that you have never ever done in the history of the TEF.....actually admitted you were wrong.

Thats all I need to say.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 12:00:51
The BFG took time to settle as well. People remember him from the last couple of months but he was not as assured when he arrived or in his first few games.

Kovar looks exceptional to me. Good frame, great feet and distribution, superb confidence. He has had little change with the goals so far and hasn't really faced a typical game yet to judge his worth at claiming crosses etc.

More than happy at this point with the lad.

He wouldn’t be at Manchester United and still be at Manchester United if he was shit.
That should be a decent enough reference. I know a few who actually go and watch them and they were amazed he didn’t go on loan to a Championship club.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 12:09:11
He wouldn’t be at Manchester United and still be at Manchester United if he was shit.
That should be a decent enough reference. I know a few who actually go and watch them and they were amazed he didn’t go on loan to a Championship club.
I think Kovar with the ball at his feet looks calmer and more composed than Benda, Benda looked very good but I think from what I have seen so far is that Kovars distribution is quicker and better.

As for shot stopping and commanding his box then I would suggest Kovar looks close to the same level as Benda, both big, decent handling and come out to claim crosses with ease.

I do think Kovar will get better with a better defence in front of him when Baudry/Fryers/Conroy return.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 12:11:02
I think Kovar with the ball at his feet looks calmer and more composed than Benda, Benda looked very good but I think from what I have seen so far is that Kovars distribution is quicker and better.

As for shot stopping and commanding his box then I would suggest Kovar looks close to the same level as Benda, both big, decent handling and come out to claim crosses with ease.

I do think Kovar will get better with a better defence in front of him when Baudry/Fryers/Conroy return.

Have to agree.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 12:24:36
Have to agree.
Me too.
I’m just going to start a new Rochdale match thread, so does it make sense for this discussion to continue there?


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 12:29:05
Me too.
I’m just going to start a new Rochdale match thread, so does it make sense for this discussion to continue there?

Just a tip that matchday thread starters are judged on their results, and you're not off to a flying start. Just so you know, with great power comes great responsibility.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 12:32:36
Just a tip that matchday thread starters are judged on their results, and you're not off to a flying start. Just so you know, with great power comes great responsibility.
Thanks for that.  I’ll have forgotten your encouraging comments by the time we get automatic promotion. ;D


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 12:33:17
Unfortunately with Iandolo he’s gone backwards as a defender. He was scared to tackle or risk being on the receiving end of a tackle prior to his injury now he barely dares go in at all as he’s obviously very wary after a bad injury so not sure he’s much use at left back currently.

Unfortunately Iandolo lacks a football brain and will never progress any further.
At best a squad player and out of depth at this level.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 12:35:36
Unfortunately Iandolo lacks a football brain and will never progress any further.
At best a squad player and out of depth at this level.
Absolutely, shame as he has showed promise in the past but never realised that promise.

Squad left sided utility player, nothing more.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 13:22:10
Kovar is going to be immense,FACT!


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 13:24:56
Kovar is going to be immense,FACT!
I would love that in 6 months time we will all be saying "well hes better than Benda was" and that is entirely possible.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 13:28:52
I would love that in 6 months time we will all be saying "well hes better than Benda was" and that is entirely possible.
:clap:


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 13:30:26
If we find ourselves in a position where we are considering Curran playing in a game, I'd pop Fryer in goal and move Kovar to central defence.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: DV Canio on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 13:38:57
He wouldn’t be at Manchester United and still be at Manchester United if he was shit.
That should be a decent enough reference. I know a few who actually go and watch them and they were amazed he didn’t go on loan to a Championship club.


I remember Colin Heath on loan. He was from Manchester United and he was terrible.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: RWB Robin on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 14:10:57
Is it actually necessary to go on like this about the lad? He is 20. He was clearly brought in last year as a development player. He has played two inconsequential games this summer. He is obviously not ready for League 1. But he must have some potential to have got the new contract. Can we not just leave it there. Perhaps not everyone understands the damage we can do by targeting players like this.


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 14:49:32
Is it actually necessary to go on like this about the lad? He is 20. He was clearly brought in last year as a development player. He has played two inconsequential games this summer. He is obviously not ready for League 1. But he must have some potential to have got the new contract. Can we not just leave it there. Perhaps not everyone understands the damage we can do by targeting players like this.
:eek:


Title: Re: Swindon v WBA Under 21 - pre- and post-match
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 16:18:04
Is it actually necessary to go on like this about the lad? He is 20. He was clearly brought in last year as a development player. He has played two inconsequential games this summer. He is obviously not ready for League 1. But he must have some potential to have got the new contract. Can we not just leave it there. Perhaps not everyone understands the damage we can do by targeting players like this.

You're right. It's bloodsport for the poor and sedentary. I've removed the comment.

Does the amnesty on bullying stop on retirement? Cos that David Peach...