Let's Get Political!

[horlock07]

I was thinking about the buggy  

You also have Vauxhall, Mini, Nissan, Land Rover, Toyota and others.

So actually, General Motors (US), BMW (German), Renault (French), Tata (Indian) and Toyoto (Japanese).

None of whom are British and all of whom have raised grave concerns about long term UK commitments post Brexit.

[donkey]

I was thinking about the buggy 

You also have Vauxhall, Mini, Nissan, Land Rover, Toyota and others.

Remaking the original Mini would be a tangible benefit in my mind.  I love those cars.

[RedRag]

Shocking behaviour from Johnson yesterday...

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/ill-cut-off-my-own-dick-dont-think-i-wont-johnson-threatens-eu-20201207203295

[horlock07]

A peep through the bullshit!

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1336951447339081728.html

[pauld]

I'm not on here 24/7, some of us have got some work to do pre Brexit  

Ha ha, fair enough, although tbf you did make several posts on other threads between the multiple times of asking. But as I say, I used your post as a hook to hang the point on really.

I never said there was ill treatment, just the way we seem to be brushed aside with our requirements.

That's been half the problem. The UK govt hasn't negotiated as such, just presented a list of demands or in most cases failed even to do that and then thrown it's toys out of the pram when the EU has either asked for clarity or refused to just grant demands without concessions. And the UK press have lapped that up hence the "EU are bullying us" bullshit when it's actually largely
been a case of "What the fuck do you actually want?"

The EU were always going to what's best for the EU. I don't think there will be any winners in this whole saga.

No there won't. But we will be much bigger losers. cf the points that others have made very well about the EU being able to spread the pain across 27 economies while we take the whole hit full in the face. On top of the worst economic fallout in Europe from COVID.

[4D]

So actually, General Motors (US), BMW (German), Renault (French), Tata (Indian) and Toyoto (Japanese).

None of whom are British and all of whom have raised grave concerns about long term UK commitments post Brexit.

There's still going to be British customers, especially if people decide to drop buying EU built motors.

[horlock07]

There's still going to be British customers, especially if people decide to drop buying EU built motors.

Hopefully so albeit I wonder what the effect of potential tariffs will have on the market.

[Flashheart]

There's still going to be British customers, especially if people decide to drop buying EU built motors.

But they're unlikely to remain in Britain for the sake of what would likely be a small market in comparison to Europe (and further afield).

[Matchworn Shirts]

Hopefully so albeit I wonder what the effect of potential tariffs will have on the market.

Probably just more people ending up adding a higher level of debt to their lease agreements

[horlock07]

Probably just more people ending up adding a higher level of debt to their lease agreements

Likely for the domestic market but that's a drop in the ocean, but for the manufacturers themselves if you have tariffs on the stuff coming in (if it can get through the ports JIT to meet your operational model) then tariffs on the goods going out its just not worth the hassle is it, plenty of empty capacity in Europe at the moment waiting to be filled.

[pauld]

There's still going to be British customers, especially if people decide to drop buying EU built motors.

Patrick Minford, Vote Leave's pro-Brexit economist (pretty much the only one in fact), is on record as saying there won't be a British car industry post-Brexit and seems to regard it as a price worth paying:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/business-economics/evidence-given-by-vote-leaves-economics-expert-in-2012-comes-to-light-as-manufacturing-concerns-surface/30/09/

So there may well be British customers, but probably not for British built cars. Even arch-Brexiteer Jim Ratcliffe is taking his new car manufacturing to France.

[pauld]

https://twitter.com/Trump_ton/status/1337043604943089669

[Ardiles]

Is there any polling to show public support currently for leaving the EU on WTO terms?  There are plenty of Leavers who will tell you that No Deal was what they intended all along.  But I don't remember anyone giving this option serious credence back in 2016.  Historians will write volumes in future on how, during the 4+ yrs that followed the vote, No Deal came from nowhere to become the most likely method of leaving.

I ask the question (about polling) because there are reports of Tory MPs getting a bit jumpy in private about a WTO exit.  They're holding the line in public, but there seems to be a bit of unease creeping it that they might now actually have to shepherd this through.  No Deal also removes the Labour dilemma as to whether they vote for a deal or not.  Without a deal, Brexit is entirely Tory.  No-one else's.

[4D]

Maybe it's time to cut back on the massive foreign aid budget.

[Batch]

Maybe it's time to cut back on the massive foreign aid budget.

I'm not even sure if you're trolling now