Trump v Harris

[Ardiles]

When future historians piece together the history of this period, it would be so interesting to see how they put MAGA in to context.  I suspect that it will be seen as a large-scale, populist reaction to the end of the period of unchecked American global dominance.  Tens of millions of Americans - realising that the American Dream that their parents & grandparents lived through, and the living standards that it generated - was on the wane.  Frustrated, angry, and willing to see through the faults of an appalling human being in a futile bid to rediscover national 'greatness'.  The parallels with Germany in the 1930s are so obvious to see.

Fortunately, there are differences as well.  Not suggesting that 1930s Germany = 2020s USA in every respect, clearly - and not least because, I suspect, America is about to swerve its next date with fascism after flirting with it.  (Or is that 'I hope'?  I'm not sure, actually.)  Trump was certainly right when he called this one of the most consequential elections in US history.

[fuzzy]

I noticed Trump was continuing to ramp up the rhetoric on the campaign trail, stoking the fires that caused the DC riots back in 2020 (or whenever it was) "They're wrking really hard to steal this electio- really hard to steal it".

If campaigning to win an election is working hard to steal it, WTAF does he think his lot are doing?

Still, never let the arch conspiracy theorist be denied.

[Ardiles]

From the Guardian's live feed:

Jessica Mendoza, 35, voted for Trump. “I have two kids and I really just want to see a change for them and a better future,” she said “We’re also Christians so we voted with our morals as well.”

Sometimes I think people live in alternative realities.  Did Jessica not see Trump fellating a microphone just days ago?  Morals, Jessica?  Christian morals?  Seriously?!

[Nemo]

From the Guardian's live feed:

Jessica Mendoza, 35, voted for Trump. “I have two kids and I really just want to see a change for them and a better future,” she said “We’re also Christians so we voted with our morals as well.”

Sometimes I think people live in alternative realities.  Did Jessica not see Trump fellating a microphone just days ago?  Morals, Jessica?  Christian morals?  Seriously?!

I mean I'm not sure that's top of his list of moral failings...

The Bible is full of imperfect men doing the work of God, if that's what you want to see. Of course, that doesn't mean that any imperfect man is doing the work of God...

[horlock07]

 I suspect the outcome of what happens in the States over the next few days/weeks will also be interesting from a Tory (and much of the public's perception of them) point of view, a large number of what is now the shadow cabinet have come out pro Trump, now if he wins its likley to lead to him establishing a pretty far right regime, abandoning longstanding Western alliances and norms which in turn will possibly encourage/embolden Putin to invade multiple Eastern European democracies, and if he loses we will no doubt see widespread violence and insurrection (again)... Not sure either of these will go down that well in middle England.....

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

From the Guardian's live feed:

Jessica Mendoza, 35, voted for Trump. “I have two kids and I really just want to see a change for them and a better future,” she said “We’re also Christians so we voted with our morals as well.”

Sometimes I think people live in alternative realities.  Did Jessica not see Trump fellating a microphone just days ago?  Morals, Jessica?  Christian morals?  Seriously?!

Her surname is Mendoza. Possible heritage from somewhere ravaged by far left politics like Cuba or Venezuela.

[LucienSanchez]

And yet, he’d probably want her deported. I can’t understand how any sane person could want him in charge of a village fete tombola, let alone a whole nation.

[Honkytonk]

The fact this is even a contest shows just how fucked the American psyche is. It feels like even if there was video footage of Trump had been sat in the chair in the hotel room watching some godawful heinous crime Epstein was doing (probably with Prince Andrew in wardrobe), his supporters would insist it was good and actually was pretty GREAT actually, maybe you should not vaccinate your kids and prostrate before Jeeeeezus.

No matter your opinion of the democrats or republicans, re-electing that orange meat puppet of the sinister is boggling, and yet we're on the verge of them doing it for a SECOND TIME.

The worst thing is that it legitimises the benefit of blatantly lying to the voting populace in a Western democracy. As if we don't have enough problems with that.

[McGurk's Missus]

orange meat puppet heh 

[Qunk]

Lots of sirens and horn honking and all that malarkey already.

[McGurk's Missus]

Why does OMP keep banging on about ''paper'' like it's some new thing? Anyone would think it was c1850. He just needs to replace the baseball cap with a top hat - because it's likely the workhouses and mills wouldn't be far behind.

[Ardiles]

Early signs not good.  F*** me, they might be about to give him another term.  This is bleak.

[RJack]

Early signs not good.  F*** me, they might be about to give him another term.  This is bleak.

Yeah not good he’s won all the major states which doesn’t bode well

[OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR]

Fuck. Me.

And fuck you, you stupid, stupid dumb Americans.

Speechless.

[Nemo]

Disappointed but not surprised. The older I get, the more I think elections pretty much come down to trying not to be the party in possession when the world economy goes to shit. The rest doesn't seem to matter except at the margins, if the economy tanks while you're in charge, that'll be it for you however you handle it.