Trump v Harris

[Bob's Orange]

I thought the Republicans made a big deal about petrol prices dramatically increasing under Biden, as if he was specifically to blame?

[RobertT]

I thought the Republicans made a big deal about petrol prices dramatically increasing under Biden, as if he was specifically to blame?

They did, he wasn't really, it doesn't matter because perception is King.  They tied him to initial talk around the Green New Deal and then spent 4 years relating petrol prices to it.

[Honkytonk]

It wasn't any worse than any other large Country, but heaven help the person in charge if petrol prices go up noticeably.  When most of your car stock runs at <30mpg they really do not like it.  Don't forget, trucking is massive over here with a rail network that stopped improving at Blazing Saddles.  Generally speaking the cost of living it pretty high already, so you'd do well to win an election as the incumbent in a two party system.  The result was heading for Labour type vibes at one point.  Harris at least made it a choice.

I had an American girlfriend for many years, unfortunately I know the mindset of '30mpg is efficient!' all too well. I asked if we should take the train when we were over there once (east coast) and got confused looks as to why.

I'm not arguing with you at all you understand RobertT, perhaps just pointing at the self-obsession of the American psyche. Sometimes things have to change for the individual to improve conditions generally, or, heaven forbid, help out people worse off than you.

It's not a surprise that almost every Trump voter (even the reasonably sane ones) keep bringing why back to personal interest. Lots of 'mys' and very few "we"'s

Oh well, Gilead in the world cup in a couple of years, that'll be fun.

[RobertT]

The I vs We is big, and I kind of get it.  Their culture is designed around pulling yourself up, the American Dream if you like.  On the one end, it creates mega wealth and huge strides in technology and science, on the other end, it leaves plenty behind with little care or planning.

It's another reason for the Trump win - despite the rhetoric used, the Hispanic community is split and not just some huge voting bloc for Dems.  A lot of them have escaped "Socialism" (which is never really Socialism, more dictatorships) and are religiously right wing, which has a huge impact in Politics here.  Fuck, I still can't buy spirits in a supermarket and have been rebuffed at 11.45am on a Sunday from buying the wine in my shop.

Despite all that, I actually quite like living here.

[Mexicano Rojo]

The I vs We is big, and I kind of get it.  Their culture is designed around pulling yourself up, the American Dream if you like.  On the one end, it creates mega wealth and huge strides in technology and science, on the other end, it leaves plenty behind with little care or planning.

It's another reason for the Trump win - despite the rhetoric used, the Hispanic community is split and not just some huge voting bloc for Dems.  A lot of them have escaped "Socialism" (which is never really Socialism, more dictatorships) and are religiously right wing, which has a huge impact in Politics here.  Fuck, I still can't buy spirits in a supermarket and have been rebuffed at 11.45am on a Sunday from buying the wine in my shop.

Despite all that, I actually quite like living here.

My Venezuelan fiance baulked when I told her me and my family were socialists.  After explaining the difference between European socialism and the brutal dictatorship of chavismo. She realised she was very much aligned with our way of thinking. She is very worried for the undocumented Venezuelans in the states who have fled a criminally under reported regime that maduro is brutally imposing on her poor country