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« Reply #240 on: Friday, March 11, 2022, 16:45:27 »

What is worrying is the chemical weapons shit there now spouting which could be paving way for Russian dirty bombs.
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« Reply #241 on: Friday, March 11, 2022, 16:45:45 »

Zelensky particularly bullish today and Sky reporting Putin as changing his tone on negotiations. Some tentatively good signs. Perhaps it’s time to offer some way for Putin to get back from this mess with him losing as little face as possible. Tricky to negotiate I’m sure but could be a way to end this nonsense
Agreed,  I think there has to be an option for Putin to try and save some face in order to make a "dignified withdrawal". He will have to be seen to claim some sort of "victory" politically at home.  
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« Reply #242 on: Friday, March 11, 2022, 17:13:20 »

Agreed,  I think there has to be an option for Putin to try and save some face in order to make a "dignified withdrawal". He will have to be seen to claim some sort of "victory" politically at home.  

I think a lot of it will depend on how badly it’s really going for Russian forces. Zelensky certainly seems confident that Ukraine could win this outright. I don’t know how accurate that is (none of us do) but if he’s correct it’ll increase urgency on Putin’s side to negotiate something. I also think that Zelensky is more likely to offer Putin some kind of face saving compromise considering how roundly Putin’s War has been condemned internationally. Let him have a concession that might stroke his ego and be acceptable to the Russian people; the rest of the world will know he’s lost and, frankly, made a cunt of himself and his country.
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« Reply #243 on: Friday, March 11, 2022, 17:14:49 »

What is worrying is the chemical weapons shit there now spouting which could be paving way for Russian dirty bombs.

This’ll hang over the entire thing. How far is he likely to go and what effect will this have on the West’s willingness to punish him?
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« Reply #244 on: Friday, March 11, 2022, 19:58:48 »

Reports of Russia doing false-flag air strikes in Belarus.

Interesting move from Putin.
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« Reply #245 on: Friday, March 11, 2022, 21:44:04 »

Reports of Russia doing false-flag air strikes in Belarus.

Interesting move from Putin.

Read that too. If correct, I don’t know who he thinks he’s convincing. He’s clearly lost the propaganda war
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« Reply #246 on: Friday, March 11, 2022, 22:30:01 »

I hate any propaganda on war, especially the glorification of war.

Still look at the "Zelenskyy dines with troops" image and all I can see is Caravaggio's Supper At Emmaus. Uncanny photo op!
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« Reply #247 on: Friday, March 11, 2022, 22:59:00 »

It’s chilling how it’s all like the trump/brexit playbook. Absolute lies told with a straight face. “We didn’t attack Ukraine” as John Lennon once said “ just give me some truth” 😞
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« Reply #248 on: Friday, March 11, 2022, 23:27:09 »

I hate any propaganda on war, especially the glorification of war.

Still look at the "Zelenskyy dines with troops" image and all I can see is Caravaggio's Supper At Emmaus. Uncanny photo op!

I’m not sure of the Zelensky comparison but I looked at ‘Supper at Emmaus’ and my fucking god what a stunning work of art. Holy mackerel

Ps fuck Putin
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« Reply #249 on: Friday, March 11, 2022, 23:57:31 »

I’m not sure of the Zelensky comparison but I looked at ‘Supper at Emmaus’ and my fucking god what a stunning work of art. Holy mackerel

Ps fuck Putin

It's his later one (1606) that has all the beauty in it for me. You possibly would have looked at his 1601 version, which you can see in Londongrad I think. The 1606 version is in Milan (and yes, I've stood and stared and pondered at it for some time).

The Zelenskyy and Troops comparison (against the 1606 version), really does draw similarities. Round a table with people he does not know, breaking bread and food centre. It's an exclusive gathering really. But as I say, in the photographic version...it's some opportunity!

There was a more sombre image floating about of Zelenskyy and Troops from the same photocall and it was even closer to the near 420yrs young painting.


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« Reply #250 on: Saturday, March 12, 2022, 07:04:45 »

This is a personal vendetta. Putin doesn’t have a plan other than the total annihilation of Ukraine and unfortunately he doesn’t have the forces to complete the job so will be quite happy to destroy it by any means he can and blame everyone else for causing it.

Time and time again Putin has shown complete disregard for basic human morals and is prepared to stoop lower than anyone else to get a job done and his cronies are all shit scared of him.

So many parallels with the rise of Hitler

This isn’t going to end well for anyone unless Putin is deposed from within very quickly…
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« Reply #251 on: Saturday, March 12, 2022, 07:26:19 »

Just how do you transport 16,000 mercenaries from Syria to Ukraine?
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« Reply #252 on: Saturday, March 12, 2022, 07:33:03 »

Just how do you transport 16,000 mercenaries from Syria to Ukraine?
And does Putin honestly expect the Syrians to adapt well to -10 conditions!?!
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« Reply #253 on: Saturday, March 12, 2022, 09:01:18 »

Putin is clearly a nut job, but ask yourself one question about the conflict.

How would the US react if Mexico elected a Russian backed socialist/communist administration.

It almost feels as if NATO keep poking Russia to try and make them react, which they now have, in the hope that Putin will do something stupid so they are justified in taking him out.

Hopefully someone in Russia will do the job for us before too many innocent people suffer.

As for the media/propaganda war, again ask yourself the question how much you trust our media.
Trump (another nut job) raised the “fake news” banner every time something was reported that he didn’t like, but the one thing it did show is just how much public opinion could be swayed by what is reported.
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« Reply #254 on: Saturday, March 12, 2022, 09:14:58 »

Your post is entirely predicated on a view that Russia somehow has a right to have a say in how the states that neighbour it are governed.  And it doesn't.  Russia no more gets a say in how Ukraine should be run than Ukraine gets a say in.Kremlin policy.  Ukraine and the Baltics weren't 'poking the bear' when they elected governments that were oriented more to the West.  They were following the wishes of their populations.  That's how democracy works - and that's what Putin feels threatened by.

There is nothing legitimate about Russia's invasion.  Nothing.
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