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« Reply #9285 on: Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 09:35:52 »

Obviously where any potential monies received go is indeed an issue

…but…Villa poach Swindon kid is nothing catastrophic
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« Reply #9286 on: Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 09:38:34 »

Theres a list as long as a donkeys cock on things this club is doing wrong.

Selling youngsters isn't one of them in my opinion, we have always been a club that does this and if we are continuing to do it then so be it.



To be fair I think the context is key. If they’ve sold one or two academy players on properly structured deals as usual business then fine, if they’re flogging any prospect that can kick a ball for a quick buck and leaving nothing then that’s different.
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« Reply #9287 on: Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 09:39:21 »

If true though, it adds some context to why Peaks is happy to bail at this time though, either that or it is just another Swindon Town "coincidence"..
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« Reply #9288 on: Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 09:58:47 »

I think there is a difference in clubs approaching us to take the odd youngster, and us actively offering them to clubs to get some money in.
It sounds to me like it’s the latter.



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« Reply #9289 on: Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 10:08:54 »

Of course we're making money to sign players in January with Clem overseeing all transfer activity. Can't wait for the intake of 5-6 new players!  Clap
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« Reply #9290 on: Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 10:10:36 »

How many academy players have broken through to the first team in recent history? In principle, I'm not too bothered about selling them as long as the club  benefits and money is used to invest in the first team in Jan, etc.. but I'm not expecting that to happen...

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« Reply #9291 on: Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 10:12:02 »

Marcus Ifill *wasn't* played though.

Didn’t he come on, or was at least on the bench. It might even be that which protects the clubs interest. I can only tell you what I’ve been told from someone I know who used to be involved with the club a few season back. They may have changed all the rules but I doubt it
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« Reply #9292 on: Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 10:15:15 »

How many academy players have broken through to the first team in recent history? In principle, I'm not too bothered about selling them as long as the club  benefits and money is used to invest in the first team in Jan, etc.. but I'm not expecting that to happen...



It’s a low number because all the decent ones get poached before they’re even close
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« Reply #9293 on: Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 10:18:06 »

I can't help but think Clem has painted himself into a corner with his "I'm personally overseeing January" line.

It won't be anything other than a disaster. Maybe it all has to get worse before it can get better.

And the overseeing accounts which clearly won't happen.

Its just whatever bullshit he can say to dig himself out of the hole at the time.
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« Reply #9294 on: Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 10:18:36 »

It’s either incredibly naïve or it’s the actions of someone who won’t be around to face any blow back when the inevitable happens.

He'll be on Oz anyway won't he even if still at the club.
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« Reply #9295 on: Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 10:21:22 »

Didn’t he come on, or was at least on the bench. It might even be that which protects the clubs interest. I can only tell you what I’ve been told from someone I know who used to be involved with the club a few season back. They may have changed all the rules but I doubt it

He doesn't have a profile on Rich Banyard's site, which I'm pretty happy to take as gospel that he didn't get a minute. I do think he was on the bench once or twice, but don't think he even got a JPT sub appearance. Pretty sure he was only 16 when sold as well, rather than having signed scholarship terms.

Someone else may know better - from memory I think Tails knows his family so will probably be able to confirm!

Okay with a deeper Google...

At the age of 15 years and 291 days, he was named on the bench for the first-team for the League Two fixture against Northampton Town.
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« Reply #9296 on: Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 10:26:57 »

In recent years I think there have been some who have been 'good enough' to be at least EFL squad players who just never got a fair crack.

Tom Smith I always rated, Jordan Young had something about him, Twine clearly was Wellens' major black mark.

Archie Matthews went from us to Birmingham and Swansea.

I think with a lot of these, and probably more that I can't remember, it is such fine margins that a run in the team could have unlocked their potential.

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« Reply #9297 on: Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 10:28:04 »

With the general tone of that Twitter account, the 'bad news' might be the club announcing a rainbow laces game or signing a diversity charter.

That said, nothing much would surprise at this point. 10 point deduction puts us third bottom though, which you think would shorten the odds a lot more than has been mentioned above!

If we didn't pay players on time like rumoured isn't that a 3 or a 6 for first offense?
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« Reply #9298 on: Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 10:28:40 »

I believe Ifill made one single bench appearance but did not play.

(Nemo has already answered his own question)
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« Reply #9299 on: Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 10:37:08 »

In recent years I think there have been some who have been 'good enough' to be at least EFL squad players who just never got a fair crack.

Tom Smith I always rated, Jordan Young had something about him, Twine clearly was Wellens' major black mark.

Archie Matthews went from us to Birmingham and Swansea.

I think with a lot of these, and probably more that I can't remember, it is such fine margins that a run in the team could have unlocked their potential.


'Opportunity' really is the key to their development. Ali Al-Hamadi is a great recent example of that. Finally gets his chance and little after 5 months he looks a Championship player in waiting.
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