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« Reply #8820 on: Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 17:43:51 »

I sit in the DRS, had it at multiple entrance points as well.

yep the same happened to me
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« Reply #8821 on: Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 17:44:14 »

I'm interested in the opinion of an astute business person, you seem to know a lot about business.

Thanks
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« Reply #8822 on: Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 17:45:25 »

I sit in the DRS, had it at multiple entrance points as well.
Ooo er madam!
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« Reply #8823 on: Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 17:50:55 »

We are long overdue Monthly Nonsense aren't we...?
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« Reply #8824 on: Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 17:57:52 »

Tbh, after yesterdays clusterfuck I was half expecting some kind of muffled apology.
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« Reply #8825 on: Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 18:02:37 »

Like many things with the club, if they paid the money for the proper technology that shows what ticket fans are using, then they could avoid it.
They won’t pay for it though.
Hall confirmed this is in place - they just don’t consistently police it.

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« Reply #8826 on: Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 18:03:06 »

We are long overdue Monthly Nonsense aren't we...?
Hall said the minutes would be published today - although I’d take that with a pinch of salt.
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« Reply #8827 on: Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 18:05:05 »

Hall said the minutes would be published today - although I’d take that with a pinch of salt.
Be pretty impressive if he’s even managed to get that wrong.
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« Reply #8828 on: Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 18:10:51 »

Be pretty impressive if he’s even managed to get that wrong.

It is 6:10pm. It feels likely at this stage!
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« Reply #8829 on: Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 18:17:19 »

What challenge, I'm just pointing out my viewpoint.

You said I couldn't use the Tranmere accounts to do anything more than STFC.

Interestingly, their football revenue has grown 58% in the past 4 years against an increase in total attendances of approx 6%, however, their commercial income showed a 47% decline in the same period.  Their football based income grew 50% per paying customer (that, as I understand it is all football related income, so includes prize money as well as gate receipts).

If I were at the club, I'd be looking in the Commercial Revenue to determine what that drop was influenced by.

You would look at the football income and like to extract prize money to see what the real average per spectator was, but it certainly looks like they have improved in increasing the spend per customer.

Over that same period, the wages paid to staff have decreased by 4%.  Against a backdrop of a 32% total income increase, that is good news.  Employee costs account for over half the total expenditure of the business.

The football staff numbers have declined from 57 to 44, and given the largely static nature of the total wage bill for all staff, it seems likely they have achieve their performance by reducing the squad size to account for higher average salaries (which is now 19,4k per employee in the business, up from 9.2k in 2019).  They have also limited the non playing staff, having 378 before Covid and only returning to 144 in the time since.  Given the limited change in total staff costs, those non playing staff can only account for a very small % of the total spend (their numbers fluctuated significantly, but only small changes were seen in total wages).  Looking at the league table, one might be able to hazard a guess that it isn't helping them on the field.

Don't get me wrong, it still leaves loads of questions unanswered, but I cannot do that with STFC's accounts.

Also, as a footnote, if we remove Depreciation charges,  their average loss per year for the last four years is..... -55k per year.

It seem like they revalued their ground in 2020, adding a massive chunk to the Balance Sheet.  The associated depreciation charge is making it look like they lose money, but they seem to trade at a profit.  Ours isn't expressly identified in the P&L, but looking at our Balance sheet, we have a zero depreciation charge.
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« Reply #8830 on: Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 18:32:26 »

£8m+ in expenditure... that woudl be a lot of cocane for matchday guests
let me guess they are snorting it of a recarnated mahirishi
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« Reply #8831 on: Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 18:49:11 »

Back on topic, watched the rest, it's just more of the same.  One sentence attempts at responses, usually not good ones.  Those pesky adults getting in as kids - thousands of 'em.  We'd be running at a profit but for that rampant fraud.  How the fuck do they even manage to quantify the issue?  What has happened here is they have seen the mix of people on each ticket type, realised they don't get adult prices on as many fans as a non football fan might expect and determined it must be a scam.  The reality is much more likely that under 18's and over 65's are the primary group of non season ticket holders who show up and pay money on the day.  Do a few try it on, I imagine so, is it going to be the biggest item to correct, fuck no.   The real giveaway was his quiet answer that they were looking to "rationalise" the categories, and we already know what that means because they tried it already.  Just come out and say we will have an Under 12 price and a nearly dead price, everyone else has to cough up full whack.  It'll be a hard pill to swallow, and may result in lower attendances, but at least it's honest.  Anyone over 2 years old gets charged the same price over here.
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« Reply #8832 on: Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 18:51:26 »

Oh, and he didn't get the rules for Karachi Club did he, what's the first rule of Karachi Club Clem?
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« Reply #8833 on: Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 18:56:51 »

Oh, and he didn't get the rules for Karachi Club did he, what's the first rule of Karachi Club Clem?

 
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« Reply #8834 on: Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 19:01:39 »

This really was a Prince Andrew Newsnight moment as someone suggested. And Clem has rated this bloke for over a decade.

Staggeringly bad. These clowns make Power look like a slick, competent, benevolent operator.

I starting to believe that “so called” Able wouldn’t have been this bad, even if Power/Curran were involved, but the Trust and their outriders saw that off. Honestly, how could it have been worse?

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