New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks

[tans]

oh lordy

He’ll run for chair wont he?

[4D]

Our crowds have dipped by around 10% on last year. I can see them dribbling down to the 6k mark of our recent lows if things don't improve/change. Won't have to worry so much about ST holders then.

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

Yeah, you fucking freeloading Season Ticket holders, you're holding us back!  I mean, aside from not asking for refunds for the season you didn't get to see any games, apart from that, you are Leaches!

I got about 25 mins in before stopping - he's just a dick.  If he has any input into the day to day running of the business we are truly fucked.

They've gone after trying to place blame on concession tickets before.  I imagine the "free" tickets he is talking about are the ones they give to schools.  Fucking sponging school kids.

What is Gerald Ratner up to these days, he'd do a better job than this chap.

I liked the Carlisle accounts question, obviously, but his answer gives us everything - he basically knows jack shit, less than your average fan on the street can muster with a few minutes and google at their hands.  I'd love to get sight of the detailed accounts - 8m+ in expenditure would be an amazing achievement, beyond anything we have ever spent as a club in a season.  The biscuits in the boardroom must be gold coated because there is fuck all evidence anywhere else of that kind of spend.  And don't forget that is just the trading costs, it doesn't include anything spent on capital investments (which I presume are actually zero anyway), which wouldn't hit the P&L.

God help us all.

Thank fuck people are starting to wake up to the fact that things are in a different universe to adding up.

Some will still devils advocate the conversation to death though. Or like Steff the troll tell you that you need to come up with ideas of new revenue streams if you criticise.

[RobertT]

Looking back, the moment they asked for people to give up their right to a refund on their season tickets is the moment it should have gone to shit.  Clem had made noises about being able to afford to match a 7m bid from Able, which we now know was likely bullshit.  To then get the club for 215k and ask for fans to give up refunds should have had big alarm bells ringing about intent.  In return, every fan should have demanded shares in the business - if the business wants to present the request as some sort of membership test, then let everyone be members.

In fact, if the Trust wants to do something worthy of plaudits, do that now.  It's clear the goalposts moved, so demand that every fan who gave up a refund gets a small shareholding in the business if they want it.  In total, the fans would likely get close to a 10% holding and in return should also demand a place on the Board.

While my post is filled with nastiness, the Trust can present that as an opportunity for Clem to truly reward what the fans did at that time and get back some PR gains on openness and transparency.  As a Board member, the AB can be done away with, and instead, a fans rep would have access to the management accounts as a requirement of their role on the board.  They would be bound by standard confidentiality, but can press for greater details of financial information being shared from within.

Not going to be offered by Clem, but that shouldn't stop the Trust pushing for it and further putting on display the fact the ownership has no intention of playing by the rules they set themselves.

[Bennett]

Oddly, even that excuse doesn't add up.  McCrory and team signed the deal with the catering company before Power usurped them, and it's that one they are most annoyed by because it's now owned by a bigger company who know their shit and are chasing the debt owed by ripping up the contract when Clem took over.

I'm sorry, I omitted the sarky emoji at the end of my post x

[RobertT]

Oh, and assuming the club would say no, then fans should feel free to withdraw their decision not to demand a refund for services/products not provided following payment made on the basis that such a request was demanded under duress.   Pretty certain a good solicitor could argue that case, but as the amounts are small they wouldn't even need to.  Everyone could just go to the small claims court.  A better legal mind than mine can weigh in on likely success, but I'd wager the club would have a hard time defending their actions in a legal sense.

[RobertT]

If it is not clear, that "interview" has really pissed me off, and I'm not even directly impacted!  Any other business would be leaking it's customers at a rate of knots today.

[Mooneyraker]

The one good thing to come from this is that the scales have fallen from yet more eyes.

Steve Anderson 2.0

[Peter Venkman]

I'm close to having had enough with it all.

You and me both mate.

[Audrey]

There’s nothing left to defend now. Makes what Flynn and the players are doing all the more admirable.

[DV]

There’s nothing left to defend now. Makes what Flynn and the players are doing all the more admirable.

Only 17 points from safety now, too…

[Audrey]

Yeah, it’s not what we wanted or expected, but if as seems likely, the amateurism behind the scenes is affecting things on the pitch then still being a spit from the POs is probably overachieving.

[Crozzer]

Absolutely awful interview.

Deplorable to suggest that season ticket holder are getting 9 free games, we're paying less per game, but we're buying the tickets in advance of knowing the squad, regardless of form and regardless of whether we'll actually be able to attend every fixture.

Only looking at adult prices, you'd only get 8.55 "free' games if you're an early bird side stand ST holder, if you're a standard TE season ticket holder you only get 6.26 games "free". For me who is in the TE and doesn't end up attending most Tuesday night games, it just about breaks even assuming I don't miss a single Saturday due to illness, family commitments or holidays. Absolutely fuck all chance of renewing if they up the price by a substantial amount to decrease the "free" games, found it hard enough to persuade myself to get a season ticket this year, and things have only got worse since then! Also considering the new EFL TV deal, it's more likely fans will miss more games next season as they're moved around for the increased TV coverage.

Under Clem, the club has just becoming a milking machine, trying to suck as much value out of every fan, from the waiving of ST refunds to the man city ticket prices, from the cutting of family options to the upping of ticket costs, if the club is offered the chance to take money out of fans pockets they'll certainly take it. And what are we seeing from this? A competitive budget that can't even fund a full squad, 1 million in losses per season and the club requiring volunteers to function. Without even taking into account all the red flags that have been mentioned on this thread countless times, it's absolutely no fucking wonder that people are becoming more and more disenfranchised with it all.

Anthony Hall must have watched that Prince Andrew Interview for guidance.  Clem and co. have insulted my intelligence, but I will continue supporting Flynn and the players, but not the club in its present form.  No more money going into Town coffers from me until a positive regime change.

[Peter Venkman]

Only 17 points from safety now, too…

Only if we have no points deductions looming.

[Peter Venkman]

Anthony Hall must have watched that Prince Andrew Interview for guidance.  Clem and co. have insulted my intelligence, but I will continue supporting Flynn and the players, but not the club in its present form.  No more money going into Town coffers from me until a positive regime change.

This.