New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks

[MangoRed]

I'm seeing fans on social media who, even until the very end, backed Lee Power who are now doing the same thing with Clem.

I can't for the life of me understand what needs to happen for this section of our fan base to wake up. Is it relegation to the national league? because that's where we're currently heading unless things change. Maybe not this season, but maybe the next or the one after.

Actions speak louder than words. Trying to deceive fans with the shares was the final straw for me. It doesn't mean I'm Clem out, but it certainly does mean I don't believe anything he says anymore. Therefore, I'll judge him by the actions of the club and how it operates on a day to day basis rather than clinging onto the words of a desperate man with a reputation of lying repeatedly.

The reason posters like Chalky are losing the plot is because they've seen us nearly lose our club and instead of learning from it, many of our fans are yet again burying their heads in the sand and choosing to give yet another owner the benefit of the doubt. We have to do better. Please please please stop making excuses for this man and just see this for what it is. It's staring you all right in the face.

Great post.

The cucks will keep cucking right till the end for sweet clemmy just how they did for Lee Power. Sooner we fuck off clem the better.

[Mooneyraker]

I also don’t see why relegation this season isn’t possible.

A points deduction plus fire sale in January and we could be in free fall.

Whilst it seems a stretch now, let’s not pretend it isn’t possible.

At least Power had the decency to run us into the ground in the off-season.

[theakston2k]

I wouldn’t call Morfuni a crook, there’s plenty of other names he warrants being called. However, it’s a statement of fact that those he surrounds himself with are crooks and that’s been confirmed in the court room.

[TheDukeOfBanbury]

I'm seeing fans on social media who, even until the very end, backed Lee Power who are now doing the same thing with Clem.

I can't for the life of me understand what needs to happen for this section of our fan base to wake up. Is it relegation to the national league? because that's where we're currently heading unless things change. Maybe not this season, but maybe the next or the one after.

Actions speak louder than words. Trying to deceive fans with the shares was the final straw for me. It doesn't mean I'm Clem out, but it certainly does mean I don't believe anything he says anymore. Therefore, I'll judge him by the actions of the club and how it operates on a day to day basis rather than clinging onto the words of a desperate man with a reputation of lying repeatedly.

The reason posters like Chalky are losing the plot is because they've seen us nearly lose our club and instead of learning from it, many of our fans are yet again burying their heads in the sand and choosing to give yet another owner the benefit of the doubt. We have to do better. Please please please stop making excuses for this man and just see this for what it is. It's staring you all right in the face.

Spot on here.
The bloke is a chancer.

[Nomoreheroes]

I just want us to have a football team that competes. I thought that we were only about 3 players away from a decent squad.

I don't know what is going on behind the scenes. I did like the fact that things seemed to be quiet for a bit, but then exploded with Zav. Morris appears to show little interest and then leaves with some barbed comments about behind the scenes. Then it exploded again with Clem lying and Rob Angus leaving. Then there were others leaving saying all is not well. Then there's the restructuring of Clem's businesses and apparent lack of money. And now this. The shirt sales seem bizarre. The FBT rumour.

I don't know who is good and who is bad. But there is no smoke without fire. I'd like a clean break from this crap. Can't see it happening though unfortunately.

[Cowley38]

Great post.

The cucks will keep cucking right till the end for sweet clemmy just how they did for Lee Power. Sooner we fuck off crook clem the better.

Now now don't call Sweet Clem a crook!!

Some will get very upset!!

[Cowley38]

I'm not doubting this! But don't call him a crook in black and white!

Are you Clems Wife/ GF / BF ?

[yeo]

So.. do I need to come out of retirement for a storming of the boardroom again or not

[Nemo]

Are you Clems Wife/ GF / BF ?

Mex was questioning our ownership long before Clem was on the scene, he just knows a thing or two about what you should and shouldn't say when doing so if you don't fancy lawyering up. He's not defending Clem, he's just trying to warn you to be careful.

[Audrey]

Since when did fans get rid of an owner?

[STFC_Manc]

Are you Clems Wife/ GF / BF ?

Another intelligent response from you

[Cowley38]

Another intelligent response from you

But it's OK for me to be personally insulted?

Double standards as always...

[Cowley38]

Another intelligent response from you

Also trying to add a little humour to a forum that is a bit tense...

Apologies for any offense caused!!

[Mooneyraker]

I just want us to have a football team that competes. I thought that we were only about 3 players away from a decent squad.

I don't know what is going on behind the scenes. I did like the fact that things seemed to be quiet for a bit, but then exploded with Zav. Morris appears to show little interest and then leaves with some barbed comments about behind the scenes. Then it exploded again with Clem lying and Rob Angus leaving. Then there were others leaving saying all is not well. Then there's the restructuring of Clem's businesses and apparent lack of money. And now this. The shirt sales seem bizarre. The FBT rumour.

I don't know who is good and who is bad. But there is no smoke without fire. I'd like a clean break from this crap. Can't see it happening though unfortunately.

I think it is a touch revisionist to say it was ever quiet and then it exploded with Zav. It was absolutely batshit from the get go with that mad statement about Zav being attacked!

Clem tried to install a convicted drugs money launderer as the Vice Chairman as almost his first act. It stank to high heaven, it is just that people wanted to believe the bucket hat dream after Power. And the Trust, having assisted in the takeover, ran a relentless PR campaign, defending the regime against any criticism on social media and on here. But it was always there in plain sight that things were 'off.' The lies started stacking up pretty quickly. We partnered with a FAKE FOOTBALL CLUB in Pakistan FFS!  

Now we can probably agree that Clem was in position A to takeover whatever happened and there wasn't much to be done about that but he and his pals should have been scrutinised from day 1 rather than soft soaped.
 
2 1/2 years later, if people are still making excuses for him I would file them under 'beyond redemption.'

[blinkpip]

Most fans so want to believe there nothing wrong behind the scenes as it's all we wanted to happen one day. We been so mugged off for the last 30+ years, were desperate for something good for the Club one day.
It's also so hard to trust anyone within the Club because of this and it's now spreading on trusting the trust with these rumours flying about.

We need whistle blowers and anyone of knowledge what happening to start speaking up in better detail, don't leave it until something happens and say ''I told you bad things are happening'' it's too late.

I so don't know what to believe anymore, but negative option usually takes control after years of shit.

What can we do? Unless we see some concrete evidence things are good then we continue to live in misery and hope for years to come.