New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks

[horlock07]

True. 98% of the fans voted for them though, so they must have at least talked a good game.

So did Clem who a large proportion of our fan base now want rid of.

[STFC_Manc]

So did Clem who a large proportion of our fan base now want rid of.

A large part of our fan base, or a large part of thetownend - they aren't the same thing.  We wouldn't be still getting very high gates, higher YTD than the previous two seasons if this was the case.

[UTR]

A large part of our fan base, or a large part of thetownend - they aren't the same thing.  We wouldn't be still getting very high gates, higher YTD than the previous two seasons if this was the case.

Not that the people I speak to cover the whole fanbase but they’re multiple different groups of people across multiple age groups and for once this is the first time that everyone’s been on the same page when we talk (fed up entirely). The grumblings around me in the DRS are also for once all saying the same thing, fed up.

Again, that’s obviously not proportionate to the whole fanbase but it’s the first time (other than the end of Power) that everyone’s been on the same page and that page is not good.

A lot are locked into ST’s now based on the end of seasons comments about competitive budgets etc and feel conned, be interesting to see how next season stands on that front.

[Batch]

...doesn't mean it's a good takeover

That's true of any takeover, ever!

[Batch]

A large part of our fan base, or a large part of thetownend - they aren't the same thing.  We wouldn't be still getting very high gates, higher YTD than the previous two seasons if this was the case.

Maybe. But I'd go to football regardless.

Have we got to the point of wanting Clem out? Not sure that's quite been the underlying current - high degrees of skepticism, derision and worry for the future yes. No arguments there.

[UTR]

Maybe. But I'd go to football regardless.

Have we got to the point of wanting Clem out? Not sure that's quite been the underlying current - high degrees of skepticism, derision and worry for the future yes. No arguments there.

Yeah I think that’s accurate. Most with criticism aren’t “Clem out” they’re more “Clem sort it out”

[Bob's Orange]

A large part of our fan base, or a large part of thetownend - they aren't the same thing.  We wouldn't be still getting very high gates, higher YTD than the previous two seasons if this was the case.

This is true, but don't forget the loyalty of a football fan runs much deeper than a 'normal' person. I'd say the number of fans that aren't currently going because of Clem is probably a tiny number. People only really stopped going because of Lee Power quite a way into his tenure.

I know this competitive budget thing is difficult to measure and has been discussed vehemently over the past weekend, but it appears that a number of fans are now looking at where we are currently, with a solid first 14/15 players, but not a huge lot else beyond that. Selling our 4th choice striker without a viable replacement come the end of the transfer window I think also made people sit up and think - hang on, are we actually going to try and get a decent squad now we can only sign free agents?

The next few months are going to be crucial, particularly come the end of January. That cry of 'come and support us and we'll put out a team capable of promotion' isn't going to wash next season if this season falls flat on it's face. It may not, it's too early to tell, but if we continue to trend downwards as we did in October then it doesn't look great. I'm still hopeful, but as I get older I wonder if that's just senility.

[horlock07]

A large part of our fan base, or a large part of thetownend - they aren't the same thing.  We wouldn't be still getting very high gates, higher YTD than the previous two seasons if this was the case.

Possibly so, as I don't attend games very often I get much of a steer from here and mainly Twitter and in both cases it is frankly depressing reading a  heck of a lot of posts.

Again, that’s obviously not proportionate to the whole fanbase but it’s the first time (other than the end of Power) that everyone’s been on the same page and that page is not good.

A lot are locked into ST’s now based on the end of seasons comments about competitive budgets etc and feel conned, be interesting to see how next season stands on that front.

Jesus, is it even worse than the Diamandis days where for long periods of time it wasn't clear if the club would last the week, doesn't bode well?

I 'pose its all swings and roundabouts, if the club came out and said we don't have the money to have a 'competitive budget' then would fans bother, which would make the budget even smaller, give and take between fan base and owners?

Yeah I think that’s accurate. Most with criticism aren’t “Clem out” they’re more “Clem sort it out”

Not sure how Clem can 'sort it out' to the satisfaction of many, some on here often refer to him as a crook and even if he has a massive clear out in the background not sure how that opinion changes?

[Trashbat?]

Yeah I think that’s accurate. Most with criticism aren’t “Clem out” they’re more “Clem sort it out”

I think most people I know feel like that, he massively blundered over the summer over the lies about ownership.

[STFC_Manc]

Maybe. But I'd go to football regardless.

Have we got to the point of wanting Clem out? Not sure that's quite been the underlying current - high degrees of skepticism, derision and worry for the future yes. No arguments there.

Not all fans are as loyal as you and me and we are getting 3k+ people paying on the day.  Agreed in the last few weeks it's turned because of form and lack of squad depth.

[Costanza]

Yeah I think that’s accurate. Most with criticism aren’t “Clem out” they’re more “Clem sort it out”

I'd like a clean break from the timeline created as soon as Black/Patey gave McCrory the keys to the club.

I suppose that makes me 'Clem Out' but I'm content for him to 'sort it out' if he can.

[Peter Venkman]

I'd like a clean break from the timeline created as soon as Black/Patey gave McCrory the keys to the club.

I suppose that makes me 'Clem Out' but I'm content for him to 'sort it out' if he can.

Agree 100%.

[Mooneyraker]

I'd like a clean break from the timeline created as soon as Black/Patey gave McCrory the keys to the club.

I suppose that makes me 'Clem Out' but I'm content for him to 'sort it out' if he can.

Yup. We need to go back and find the exact moment that Jed got hold of Gray's Sports Almanac otherwise it is next stop Clem's Town End Casino. I see Paolo playing the unhinged teacher with the shotgun.

[horlock07]

I'd like a clean break from the timeline created as soon as Black/Patey gave McCrory the keys to the club.

I suppose that makes me 'Clem Out' but I'm content for him to 'sort it out' if he can.

That's lovely and all that, but that ain't gonna happen, so what does sorting it out entail which will be acceptable to our fans, he obviously hasn't got any more cash to fling in so the budget will remain what the budget is (or most likley drop as fans stop going/don't renew next year when we don't get promoted) leading to ever greater disquiet, he has never indicated that he has any intention of getting shot of those in the background, so we are stuck in a perpetuating misery??

[UTR]

I'd like a clean break from the timeline created as soon as Black/Patey gave McCrory the keys to the club.

I suppose that makes me 'Clem Out' but I'm content for him to 'sort it out' if he can.

I wouldn’t be opposed to that