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« Reply #1425 on: Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 15:19:55 »

Shouldn't be wearing it outside work anyway. That's just basic common sense.

Well apparently it isn't for some of your colleagues Smiley
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« Reply #1426 on: Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 15:20:38 »

They’re still at it!

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« Reply #1427 on: Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 15:23:24 »

India order complete lockdown of 1.3 billion people!
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« Reply #1428 on: Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 15:30:14 »

Some good news: Nadine Dorries, the health minister, has recovered from COVID.
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« Reply #1429 on: Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 15:34:10 »

And Hancock has just told the Commons "where people absolutely cannot work from home they can go still go to work, indeed it's important that they do to keep the country running." No mention of essential work. Communication around this is still a shambles. Which suggests that even key Cabinet members don't actually know what the policy is.
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« Reply #1430 on: Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 15:37:11 »

And Hancock has just told the Commons "where people absolutely cannot work from home they can go still go to work, indeed it's important that they do to keep the country running." No mention of essential work. Communication around this is still a shambles. Which suggests that even key Cabinet members don't actually know what the policy is.

Good god. No one in continental Europe is in any sort of doubt as to the rules. Britain's drifting off its own sweet way.  Bye
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« Reply #1431 on: Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 16:50:06 »

...except Sweden, bizarrely.  They're even further behind the curve than we are.  Schools still open and no formal isolation advice.
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« Reply #1432 on: Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 16:54:14 »

Yet Denmark went into lockdown quicker than we did
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« Reply #1433 on: Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 20:01:21 »

Fuck. Ing. Hell.

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1242353335220539392

You think you're being a bit harsh about how shambolic and how far behind the curve the govt are on testing, and then you read shit like this. Jaw dropping.
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« Reply #1434 on: Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 20:06:54 »

This from the Financial Times today - leaves a lot of holes still, and maybe I’m just hoping for good news too much but surely the Financial Times reporting on a study from oxford professors might have some validity to it?? Might explain the anecdotal heavy colds that were prevalent around dec-jan also

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The new coronavirus may already have infected far more people in the UK than scientists had previously estimated — perhaps as much as half the population — according to modelling by researchers at the University of Oxford.

If the results are confirmed, they imply that fewer than one in a thousand of those infected with Covid-19 become ill enough to need hospital treatment, said Sunetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology, who led the study. The vast majority develop very mild symptoms or none at all.

“We need immediately to begin large-scale serological surveys — antibody testing — to assess what stage of the epidemic we are in now,” she said.

The modelling by Oxford’s Evolutionary Ecology of Infectious Disease group indicates that Covid-19 reached the UK by mid-January at the latest. Like many emerging infections, it spread invisibly for more than a month before the first transmissions within the UK were officially recorded at the end of February.

The research presents a very different view of the epidemic to the modelling at Imperial College London, which has strongly influenced government policy. “I am surprised that there has been such unqualified acceptance of the Imperial model,” said Prof Gupta.

However, she was reluctant to criticise the government for shutting down the country to suppress viral spread, because the accuracy of the Oxford model has not yet been confirmed and, even if it is correct, social distancing will reduce the number of people becoming seriously ill and relieve severe pressure on the NHS during the peak of the epidemic.

The Oxford study is based on a what is known as a “susceptibility-infected-recovered model” of Covid-19, built up from case and death reports from the UK and Italy. The researchers made what they regard as the most plausible assumptions about the behaviour of the virus.

The modelling brings back into focus “herd immunity”, the idea that the virus will stop spreading when enough people have become resistant to it because they have already been infected. The government abandoned its unofficial herd immunity strategy — allowing controlled spread of infection — after its scientific advisers said this would swamp the National Health Service with critically ill patients.

But the Oxford results would mean the country had already acquired substantial herd immunity through the unrecognised spread of Covid-19 over more than two months. If the findings are confirmed by testing, then the current restrictions could be removed much sooner than ministers have indicated.

Although some experts have shed doubt on the strength and length of the human immune response to the virus, Prof Gupta said the emerging evidence made her confident that humanity would build up herd immunity against Covid-19.

To provide the necessary evidence, the Oxford group is working with colleagues at the Universities of Cambridge and Kent to start antibody testing on the general population as soon as possible, using specialised “neutralisation assays which provide reliable readout of protective immunity,” Prof Gupta said. They hope to start testing later this week and obtain preliminary results within a few days.
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« Reply #1435 on: Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 20:13:10 »

It would be fantastic if all that was true.  But there are very many rich and powerful people with a vested interest in getting people back to work asap.  Look at Trump saying he wants to get people back to work by Easter when the US are barely at the start of their crisis.

I think we all have to be questioning and cautious whilst so many people are very sick and dying.
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« Reply #1436 on: Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 20:27:28 »

I saw this view fom the OU regarding when the virus may have hit the UK posted elsewhere today and brought this to mind.

My son who is 42 lives and works in London and commutes on the tube every day. In the middle of January he came down with a hacking cough, a very tight chest (which left him breathless) and lasted a week. In in his words it was the worst feeling being ill than he had ever experienced before. At the same time two other people in his office suffered very similar illnesses. With hindsight it could well have been flu and the only way to know if it was Coronavirus is that he gets tested to find out, which is a bit unlikely given the current situation. 
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« Reply #1437 on: Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 21:26:04 »

I saw this view fom the OU regarding when the virus may have hit the UK posted elsewhere today and brought this to mind.

My son who is 42 lives and works in London and commutes on the tube every day. In the middle of January he came down with a hacking cough, a very tight chest (which left him breathless) and lasted a week. In in his words it was the worst feeling being ill than he had ever experienced before. At the same time two other people in his office suffered very similar illnesses. With hindsight it could well have been flu and the only way to know if it was Coronavirus is that he gets tested to find out, which is a bit unlikely given the current situation. 

When the antibodies test gets released, make sure he gets tested. If he’s had it, it’s highly likely he’ll be immune now. Plus it will help public health England to track whether the herd immunity theory is actually true. Let’s hope so, for all our sakes.
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« Reply #1438 on: Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 21:50:05 »

It’s certainly possible.  The Governor of N.Y. was recommending antibody testing today on the basis that their rapid expansion of testing was finding significant numbers and it would be a way of planning a return to some sort of activity.  That’s not to say it will be a knight in shining armour though, they still expect to more than double their hospital bed capacity.  Italy also think the real rate of infection is at least 10 times their recorded count.
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« Reply #1439 on: Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 21:52:20 »

It would be fantastic if all that was true.  But there are very many rich and powerful people with a vested interest in getting people back to work asap.  Look at Trump saying he wants to get people back to work by Easter when the US are barely at the start of their crisis.

I think we all have to be questioning and cautious whilst so many people are very sick and dying.

Yep look at the jump on the dow jones and where people are investing. Oil, Credit etc etc. THe rich want their money back, and don't give a shit how.
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