Coronavirus

[Flashheart]

You are trying to compare deaths from ALL instances of coronavirus with only SEVERE instances of the flu.

It's apples and pears. It tells us nothing.

[Audrey]

I’m off panic buying!

[suttonred]

2000 mile border with China, and Russia has 0 cases. Go figure.

[Audrey]

2000 mile border with China, and Russia has 0 cases. Go figure.

That Novichok has wiped the floor with Corona

[4D]

Just reading a bit about the Spanish flu 1918 to 1920, killed 25 million in the first 25 weeks 
What was unusual is that it affected the young adults more than the elderly and young.

[suttonred]

Just reading a bit about the Spanish flu 1918 to 1920, killed 25 million in the first 25 weeks 
What was unusual is that it affected the young adults more than the elderly and young.

Killed more than the 1st and 2nd world war put together. I'm on a Local Govt corona committee and rolled that out last week. That stopped anyone panicking for sure.

[McGurk's Missus]

You are trying to compare deaths from ALL instances of coronavirus with only SEVERE instances of the flu.

It's apples and pears. It tells us nothing.

So basically you're disregarding Influenza data from the WHO?

I actually provided data from medium to severe flu and projected medium to severe case data from Covid-19 (amongst all the rambling). I know exactly the difference between ALL and SEVERE. No need to be so condescending Mr Flashheart. It's ok, I know shit becomes cyclical on here so;

If we take the current medium to severe case figures of c46k for Covid-19 and match that with current deaths c2.8k gives us a CFR (at present) of c6%

Do the same for Influenza Sub Type A (H1N1/H1N2) - aka Seasonal Flu - c3-5m medium to severe cases annually to deaths annually 250k - 600k (I'll use the middle for both if ok with you) so c4m (msc) to c400k (d) gives us a CFR of c10%. As previously stated the annual range can be 5% - 20%.

Anyway, I'm sure a percentage of you will be having a glorious tug about this in the Lounge 

[McGurk's Missus]

2000 mile border with China, and Russia has 0 cases. Go figure.

Russia has had 2 cases. However population and logistics isn't the most high end thing along that border so less chance of transmitting but it's still an interesting point.

Considering viruses like this trend to thrive in colder conditions it does raise a few questions as to why Russia, and Scandinavian countries have had only 1/2/3 cases so far? Maybe this is where Covid-19 is a little weaker and doesn't like it extreme cold?

Likely those cases are just from returning travellers but it makes for more interesting discussion than going back and forth over numbers.

[pauld]

Anyway, I'm sure a percentage of you will be having a glorious tug about this in the Lounge  

I think you've rather overestimated the level of interest your flu debate is generating. Although tbf personally I'm finding it quite interesting

[Flashheart]

So basically you're disregarding Influenza data from the WHO?

Nope.

I am saying that you are comparing apples and pears.

[Flashheart]

Incidentally, I found this:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

If this is right, then out of all known active cases of coronavirus, 18% are considered to be serious or critical. I wonder how that would compare to the flu? My guess is that serious cases of the flu would be a much, much lower percentage of overall cases.

Having said that, I don't even know how 'serious' is being defined here.

[michael]

Any data on man-flu mortality? Or being caught mid-ship?

[Flashheart]

Any data on man-flu mortality?

100%+

I've died from it several times.

[Audrey]

Despite, I think, only 1 confirmed case in Greece, the government have ordered ALL carnivals throughout the country to be abandoned.

Talk about overkill

[McGurk's Missus]

Nope.

I am saying that you are comparing apples and pears.

Well read the whole of that last response and you'll see I'm not. But whatever FH. Can't beat one of the Master & Commanders of the TEF
Funny though, you do always target me on here as soon as you disagree with me. Yet there's tons of things we do agree on yet you never interact then?   

Incidentally, I found this:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

If this is right, then out of all known active cases of coronavirus, 18% are considered to be serious or critical.

Having said that, I don't even know how 'serious' is being defined here.

Agreed. The term 'serious' could of course be defined/interpreted differently. This could easily change figures depending in how they wanted to be represented.

Makes me think of when big companies have research done, to make their product be percieved in a positive way. When independent research labs come out and have produced data that contrasts this. Phillip Morris at Big Tobacco would be a good example of disregarding independent data and using their "preferred" labs.