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« Reply #240 on: Saturday, August 5, 2023, 20:00:25 » |
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It does sound very suspicious. The only way around it is to have two separate test done independently at the same time with a thorough breakdown on what he says supposed to have failed on. they usually take 2 samples to try to eliminate the possibility of contamination - though I assume that risk to be near zero.
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« Reply #241 on: Saturday, August 5, 2023, 20:06:27 » |
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No doubts a long drawn out process before any conclusion.
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« Reply #242 on: Sunday, August 6, 2023, 04:28:44 » |
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This isn’t Boxing for Christ’s sake
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« Reply #243 on: Sunday, August 6, 2023, 12:39:31 » |
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Under the table, under the rug, behind the scenes! We're know shortly if there's any truth in what Chisora told Haye😀
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« Reply #244 on: Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 09:55:43 » |
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Robert Helanius steps in then. Meh.
Was never going to be anyone with any risk though.
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« Reply #245 on: Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 10:04:56 » |
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Are boxers subject to (and if not, why not) the same regular and strict testing that people in athletics and cycling for instance subject to?
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« Reply #246 on: Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 10:14:04 » |
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Are boxers subject to (and if not, why not) the same regular and strict testing that people in athletics and cycling for instance subject to?
Depends. Mostly the answer is no. They're tested on fight night. Failing one of those tests is akin to failing an IQ test. You just didn't come off your PED cycle early enough and are a bit dim. Random drug testing costs a lot. For big fights they will often pay a company like VADA, USADA, or UKAD to do random drug testing in camp, but you could still in theory be using out of camp. If you're ranked with the WBC then you have to comply with potential random drug testing 365 days a year but it costs a fuck ton of money, so the chances of them turning up for you are slim, but at least the threat is there. In the UFC fighters have to comply with random year round drug testing through USADA unless they are retired. Interesting Conor McGregor was 'retired' and has packed on size in that time and not enrolled back in to the testing pool yet, something he will have to do six months before he fights next.
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« Reply #247 on: Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 15:24:50 » |
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Jordon & Hearn 49 minutes of pure debate & entertainment!
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« Reply #248 on: Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 16:00:07 » |
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Depends.
Mostly the answer is no. They're tested on fight night. Failing one of those tests is akin to failing an IQ test. You just didn't come off your PED cycle early enough and are a bit dim.
Random drug testing costs a lot. For big fights they will often pay a company like VADA, USADA, or UKAD to do random drug testing in camp, but you could still in theory be using out of camp.
If you're ranked with the WBC then you have to comply with potential random drug testing 365 days a year but it costs a fuck ton of money, so the chances of them turning up for you are slim, but at least the threat is there.
In the UFC fighters have to comply with random year round drug testing through USADA unless they are retired. Interesting Conor McGregor was 'retired' and has packed on size in that time and not enrolled back in to the testing pool yet, something he will have to do six months before he fights next.
Ta, still seems strange though that it can be done in certain sports but not others, cycling for instance is hardly awash with cash but someone is paying for it, including the extra expense of the biological passport system and athletics seems even skinter!
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« Reply #249 on: Saturday, August 12, 2023, 10:03:52 » |
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My opinion is that Helenius would be a dangerous opponent for Joshua with a full camp, and that on short notice he shouldn’t be. But as somebody who is sceptical with regards to Joshua’s talent, I’m not going to be enormously surprised if he loses tonight.
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« Reply #250 on: Saturday, August 12, 2023, 10:19:13 » |
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My opinion is that Helenius would be a dangerous opponent for Joshua with a full camp, and that on short notice he shouldn’t be. But as somebody who is sceptical with regards to Joshua’s talent, I’m not going to be enormously surprised if he loses tonight.
He’s had a full camp… he had a fight last weekend so trained 8 weeks for that. He’s in good shape.
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« Reply #251 on: Saturday, August 12, 2023, 10:29:34 » |
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He’s had a full camp… he had a fight last weekend so trained 8 weeks for that. He’s in good shape.
Who was the guy Helenius fought recently does his name carry any credibility🤔
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« Reply #252 on: Saturday, August 12, 2023, 10:37:08 » |
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He’s had a full camp… he had a fight last weekend so trained 8 weeks for that. He’s in good shape.
He might have had a full camp but that was in perpetration for a completely different fighter. The guy he prepared for and beat is nothing like Joshua. It’s an incredibly fast turn around. He’s a huge underdog and the lack of preparation influences that.
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« Reply #253 on: Saturday, August 12, 2023, 10:40:07 » |
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Who was the guy Helenius fought recently does his name carry any credibility🤔
No. Domestic level fighter who was only there to kill time. In other words, it was a glorified sparring sesh
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« Reply #254 on: Saturday, August 12, 2023, 10:41:20 » |
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No. Domestic level fighter who was only there to kill time
Cheers, I've not really followed his career other than the Wilder fight.
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