Let's Get Political!

[Matchworn Shirts]

Thank goodness, we might finally hear the end of this fishing shite

[Ardiles]

Genuinely fascinated now to see what's in the deal.  Only now, finally, will there be able to be a sober, rational, factual analysis of what has been gained vs what has been lost.  The noises coming out seem to indicating that changes on tariffs/rules of origin are less damaging than they could have been.  So that's something.

[Ardiles]

At least Farage is spitting feathers.  I'll take that as a small win.

[Batch]

At least Farage is spitting feathers.  I'll take that as a small win.

Is he, all I saw was "the war is over"

[Ardiles]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1341823543143768064

[Flashheart]

I doubt he's spitting feathers regardless of what he says. I reckon he could not care less in reality. He's just playing a caricature that's helping to make him rather wealthy.

[pauld]

Genuinely fascinated now to see what's in the deal.  Only now, finally, will there be able to be a sober, rational, factual analysis of what has been gained vs what has been lost.

I wouldn't hold your breath. It will be personality-led triumphalism and soap opera, certainly on the two main TV channels thanks to the utterly fatuous Kuenssberg and Peston. Should both be presenting the weather on the smallest regional news programme their respective stations broadcast. In a shit Christmas jumper.

[Ardiles]

Talking more about the forensic analysis that can now take place, and will take place, over the coming months & years.  Not so much about soundbites from media political correspondents over the next few days.  If the longer term analysis concludes that we have given up too much to achieve more sovereignty, we will start drifting back towards the EU anyway.  And that's my best guess, if I'm honest.  In or out, we'll always be in the EU's orbit.

[pauld]

Talking more about the forensic analysis that can now take place, and will take place, over the coming months & years.  Not so much about soundbites from media political correspondents over the next few days. 

Indeed, anything said over the next few days is essentially worthless, by all accounts the agreement is over 2000 pages long, that's nearly twice as long as Lord of the Rings. No way that can be fully analysed and understood in a few days. Which makes the idea that parliament can pass it in a day a travesty of the concept of sensible parliamentary scrutiny of the deal. Fortunately it's unlikely to make much difference as the govt won't stick to it anyway.

If the longer term analysis concludes that we have given up too much to achieve more sovereignty, we will start drifting back towards the EU anyway.  And that's my best guess, if I'm honest.  In or out, we'll always be in the EU's orbit.

Medium-long tem I think you're right, but just with much less say, or even no say, as to how the policies that will affect our most important trading relationship are formulated. "Taking back control".

[Dr Pierre Chang]

Deal done!

[Ardiles]

Deal done!

Think almost everyone will agree that a deal is preferable to having no deal.

[pauld]

Think almost everyone will agree that a deal is preferable to having no deal.

Indeed, apart from Farage and some of the ERG loons

[Bogus Dave]

Ugh, finally. Brexit is a shit idea, this deal won’t be as good as the one we had before, there will be plenty more arguing in the future - but at least there’s something and the complete jump off a cliff of no deal has been avoided

[Bogus Dave]

Hmm, I put that before seeing that services - the most valuable part of our economy - aren’t covered. But silly, that

[horlock07]

I don't have the time nor inclination to compare the two, but this looks at a glance very similar to May's deal which Johnson considered so dreadful it warranted resigning for?