Let's Get Political!

[horlock07]

Sorry I'm mixing up EHRC with IHRA... ignore me

Lets call the whole thing off 

[mystical_goat]

Fantastic that Boris is in court for the NHS Brexit Bus at the same time as the Tory leadership contest begins. It harms his chances surely? Though in a weird world I'm wondering if all press is good press.

[Audrey]

Can anyone explain to me how holding a GE would sort out Brexit as Corbyn claims.

[pauld]

Can anyone explain to me how holding a GE would sort out Brexit as Corbyn claims.

The premise is that parliament as it stands is hopelessly deadlocked and so a new parliament is required that would alter the balance of power to give someone a working majority. Corbyn hopes that would be him. At the moment, it's just as likely to be a Farage-Tory coalition

[Audrey]

Recipe for disaster that. So, if you want to Remain but despise Corbyn’s/Cable’s domestic agenda who are people supposed for?

[Sir red ken]

Recipe for disaster that. So, if you want to Remain but despise Corbyn’s/Cable’s domestic agenda who are people supposed for?

How are we going to remain, we voted to leave and haven't yet. Do we keep voting until we get a remain result, be it euro election,general election, local elections or another referendum. Why doesn't someone jjust say we can't leave and previous vote can just be ignored, then UK will stay in the eussr as free democratic Nation.

[Audrey]

There is no consensus in parliament to leave with a deal. There is no way Parliament will sign off on no deal.

Hence the stagnation. Even a 2nd referendum may not settle it. What if one of the choices is ‘Leave with a deal’ - we’d be back where we are now.

[Sir red ken]

There is no consensus in parliament to leave with a deal. There is no way Parliament will sign off on no deal.

Hence the stagnation. Even a 2nd referendum may not settle it. What if one of the choices is ‘Leave with a deal’ - we’d be back where we are now.
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Paliment needs to enact the result the 2016 ref.which it would have if remain had won they would have instantly. They aren't respecting the peoples wishes.
They wouldn't take the chance with a second ref like last time,leave wouldn't be on the ballot paper, the choices will be . Remain on our old deal, remain on a new deal, and remain. Children and foreign citizen will be allowed to vote. Ballot boxes will be opened prior to counting so any spoilt or not completed votes can be ammended. Simples

[Reg Smeeton]

There is no consensus in parliament to leave with a deal. There is no way Parliament will sign off on no deal.

Hence the stagnation. Even a 2nd referendum may not settle it. What if one of the choices is ‘Leave with a deal’ - we’d be back where we are now.

Ken Clarke's leave but stay in the Custom's Union, lost by 6 votes in the indicative votes.... Labour proposed something similar.  It's not beyond the realms of possibiity something like this could be got through.  The problem has been Tory incompetence as much as anything else.  May could have had talks with other parties and indicative votes from the start... instead of leaving it until the last minute, by chaining herself to the ERG.

[Sir red ken]

There is no consensus in parliament to leave with a deal. There is no way Parliament will sign off on no deal.

Hence the stagnation. Even a 2nd referendum may not settle it. What if one of the choices is ‘Leave with a deal’ - we’d be back where we are now.

Its OK our true government are meeting soon, they will decide how the country is run not the citizens.

The 2019 Bilderberg meeting will take place at the Hotel Montreux Palace in the Swiss town of Montreux from today, 30/5/2019 until Sunday.
The key topics for discussion this year are:
1. A Stable Strategic Order
2. What Next for Europe?
3. Climate Change and Sustainability
4. China
5. Russia
6. The Future of Capitalism
7. Brexit
8. The Ethics of Artificial Intelligence
9. The Weaponisation of Social Media
10. The Importance of Space
11. Cyber Threats

LIST OF UK PARTICIPANTS
Adonis, Andrew (GBR), Member, House of Lords
Bostrom, Nick (UK), Director, Future of Humanity Institute, Oxford University
Carney, Mark J. (GBR), Governor, Bank of England
Fleming, Jeremy (GBR), Director, British Government Communications Headquarters
Garton Ash, Timothy (GBR), Professor of European Studies, Oxford University
Lund, Helge (GBR), Chairman, BP plc; Chairman, Novo Nordisk AS
Minton Beddoes, Zanny (GBR), Editor-in-Chief, The Economist
Sawers, John (GBR), Executive Chairman, Newbridge Advisory
Shafik, Minouche (GBR), Director, The London School of Economics and Political Science

[pauld]

[RWB Robin]

I don't know if it helps in the context of this much more rational debate, but the Reith Lecture broadcast on R4 on Tuesday morning is a very clear exposition, from Judge Jonathan Sumption, of the significant change to the democratic process (and, he would say, damage) that the referendum and subsequent processes have caused.  I have to say I found it spell-binding.  Not sure it will convince everyone on here, but it is worth a listen.

[RedRag]

Good pointer.  Thanks.

I'm biased but Sumption is very bright and worth a listen

He was the only Law Lord known to the Daily Mail to have shown any Eurosceptic leanings back in 2016.

As such he wasn't one to have been labelled a traitor on its front page.

This is the Mail's take on the separation of powers between the Executive, the Legislature and the Judiciary:

A decision by the Supreme Court against the Government’s right to trigger Article 50 would raise profound questions about the power of an unelected judiciary to over-ride the will of the British people.  In this context, it is vital that the judges are seen to be independent. Yet four of the 11 members of the Supreme Court have formal links to either the EU, its courts or European institutions; five have publicly expressed views which appear to be sympathetic to the EU; while six have personal links with individuals who have been critical of the Leave campaign.
Only four have no obvious associations with the Remain ethos. Just one, Lord Sumption, has given indications of Euroscepticism.  Crucially, the British justice system revolves around the principle that judges — and particularly Supreme Court judges — are fair-minded individuals capable of treating all cases entirely on their legal merits, regardless of their private loyalties.

How different might have been the recent course of history had the Supreme Court held that Art. 50 could have been triggered by the PM/Government?

[Combe Up]

We won 2-0

[Reg Smeeton]

We won 2-0

I'd have thought this was more your thing...



... take on and beat The Rest of the World.... even give the RotW a Scot.