Let's Get Political!

[Reg Smeeton]

so like a gramophone then?

Yes....

[Audrey]

The EU is responsible for the rise of the far right across Europe - good old UK excepted.

Strange that Leavers have been branded racist yet Remainers want to continue to cosy up to those lurching to the right.

Get out now before the whole shebang goes tits up. Short, economic pain is a price worth paying.

[Batch]

Short, economic pain

Up to 50 years....
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2018/jul/24/two-50-or-100-years-when-do-leavers-think-brexit-will-pay-off

And the far right want out don't they?

Have I missed something?

[Audrey]

Yes, the Far Right and Left both want out. My point is that the Project is failing now. Any economic pain felt by the UK leaving now and making new trade deals before the rest of Europe implodes must be a good thing.

The EU just cannot succeed. Borders are already being put back up. Germany is attempting to restrict migrants now. Others are refusing to let any in. When political careers are on the line any red lines will be breached.

[Reg Smeeton]

The EU is responsible for the rise of the far right across Europe - good old UK excepted.

Strange that Leavers have been branded racist yet Remainers want to continue to cosy up to those lurching to the right.

Get out now before the whole shebang goes tits up. Short, economic pain is a price worth paying.

Fog in the Channel... continent cut off.

[Legends-Lounge]

so like a gramophone then?

One of those too.

[michael]

Did anyone else find Dominic Raab saying "Michel, we've got work to do" absolutely hilarious?

This guy means business. 

[pauld]

Oh do shut up. You’re a stuck fucking grammaphone record. T

Pot, meet kettle. You're just the Tory Reg, but with less depth

[Batch]

The EU just cannot succeed. Borders are already being put back up. Germany is attempting to restrict migrants now.

I disagree with this. It may need to change and adapt, but its not doomed. And for me its far better to be part of that change than not - the alternative is this mess we are in.

In any case, if people are tending to the far right and far left (i.e. supporting a hard Brexit),  a vote on the final Brexit deal (or even on Brexit) should be supported by a clear majority. So what's the problem with reaffirming 'the will of the people'?

[Audrey]

Well, the same could be said for a General Election. Manifestos are rarely adhered to.

Is it ideal that being intertwined so tightly with EU rules and regs is causing political and possible economic problems -no, of course not.

Is the alternative of remaining in a failing EU better - definitely not.

It’s a bit like being on a ship and asking for a lifeboat before hitting an iceberg.

[pauld]

The EU is responsible for the rise of the far right across Europe - good old UK excepted.

Don't see why you would exempt the UK from that. The populist far right is on the rise here too and have been more than happy to coat-tail on the back of Brexit. Leave EU admitted they specifically used far right fearmongering around immigration to boost their campaign and post-Brexit there's been a lot of intermingling between the remnants of UKIP/Leave EU with the leftovers of the EDL and support from US "alt-right" (hate that term, they're not "alt-anything" they're just bog standard old-fashioned fascists with internet channels) crowd. Same themes being used by far right here as in Europe, EU and fear of immigration being the main ones

[Audrey]

But you’ve now got Nazis speaking in the German parliament. Hardly the same as the tiny, thankfully, rag-tag twats that follow Tommy Robinson et al.

[pauld]

But you’ve now got Nazis speaking in the German parliament. Hardly the same as the tiny, thankfully, rag-tag twats that follow Tommy Robinson et al.

We are where they were a few years ago. The US cash seems to be aimed at forging an alliance between the street followers, the EDLs etc, and the more conventional political initiatives, UKIP under Farage, Leave EU etc, to create dual street/electoral force. The aim presumably being to get some momentum so that when the Tory party implodes they can ally with the hard right Tories under Johnson/Gove/Walter Rees-Mogg/Raab/Whoever. Tories give them credibility, the far right lot give the ex-Tories some muscle and some impetus

[LucienSanchez]

Re. Khan, I always find it strange that he gets blamed for the "crimewave" in London when it is directly attributable to the nationwide destruction of the police service which began with May as Home Secretary.

[RedRag]

Well, the same could be said for a General Election. Manifestos are rarely adhered to.

Is it ideal that being intertwined so tightly with EU rules and regs is causing political and possible economic problems -no, of course not.

Is the alternative of remaining in a failing EU better - definitely not.

It’s a bit like being on a ship and asking for a lifeboat before hitting an iceberg.

As the Euro marked it's first decade, a certain Nigel Farage foretold it would not be around at its next ten year anniversary.  That was ten years ago.  Hmmm.  Well, it certainly won't be around in the next ten years, blah, blah blah.  

You bemoan Project Fear in one breath but seem oblivious to your own version vis the EU.  Irony?