Let's Get Political!

[RedRag]

Ministers so rarely resign on a point of principle these days.  So fair play to DD if he's prepared to do so for the right to knock one out at work.  Much though Barnier and Co have had to digest our red lines, I fear this one might come as a surprise.

[Reg Smeeton]

Ministers so rarely resign on a point of principle these days.  So fair play to DD if he's prepared to do so for the right to knock one out at work.  Much though Barnier and Co have had to digest our red lines, I fear this one might come as a surprise.

TBF, IDS resigned over the cuts to benefits to disabled people, well at least that's what he said.  Justin Tomlinson just carried on.... until he was reshuffled by May when she became PM.  I don't think he was reshuffled anywhere else mind.

[pauld]

Ministers so rarely resign on a point of principle these days.  So fair play to DD if he's prepared to do so for the right to knock one out at work.

He knows full well May can't afford to lose Green so he gets to make a grand gesture without any danger of actually having to give up the job he can't  be arsed to do properly

Although if Green does get forced out it would mark a first in British politics - the first ever knuckle shuffle reshuffle

[horlock07]

I fear it's going to have a messy ending....

[Pax Romana]

This is what politics is coming to.

[Flashheart]

One tory MP on twitter has 'defended' him by saying it could have been somebody else using it. She went on to say that she allows various people to use her log in details, apparently completely unaware of any wrong doing.

These people are running the country.

[tans]

One tory MP on twitter has 'defended' him by saying it could have been somebody else using it. She went on to say that she allows various people to use her log in details, apparently completely unaware of any wrong doing.

These people are running the country.

Most places you would get the sack for this! Huge breach of data protection!

[Pax Romana]

It absolutely could have been someone else doing it.  Once.  Twice.  Maybe even several times.  But for hundreds of hours over 3 months!  Just how stupid are they hoping we all are? 

He would be far better off admitting to watching porn (which 99% of men have done after all) than blatantly lying.  Much like Nixon who didn't get done for Watergate but for trying to cover it up.

[Reg Smeeton]

 This could be fake news, however it's being reported that the Tories are effectively agreeing to allow Norn Iron to stay in the EU.

 

[Audrey]

If that’s true it won’t be long before the Scottish fishwife chirps up for her tribe of hairy arsed Jocks.

[Nemo]

If that’s true it won’t be long before the Scottish fishwife chirps up for her tribe of hairy arsed Jocks.

Never mind Scotland, London will definitely not fancy the door, and that's a pretty significant chunk of the economy.

[horlock07]

I imagine the good people of Gibraltar are also watching developments with interest...

[RobertT]

So, the DUP pull rank and prevent May from negotiating the deal as was.

To be honest, I'm not sure why the Irish think they can bargain on that point - surely once the Uk exits, a hard border is the default position, tough luck.  We don't get a trade deal with the EUk on exit, tough luck on us. Done.

People need to stop pussy footing around on this - the UK electorate, rightly or wrongly, doesn't want to be in the EU so has to take it's medicine on exit.  The cost of doing business with the EU will be more expensive, the ease of moving between countries will be a little more challenging (some sort of Visa programme will be required to pop to Spain for example) and some low wage industries will have a distinct lack of employees, causing costs to increase in food especially.  That was all known - it's the price many are willing to pay to take some sort of sovereignty back.

What I will find interesting to watch is the reaction when the immigration numbers from the Commonwealth countries remains as is, or maybe even increases.  You will probably also an increase from countries such as the Philippines, Pakistan, the middle east etc.  Now, I am trying to say this nicely, but I guess a big majority of those voting on Brexit because of immigration may not be so happy with that outcome - just because the Uk Govt. takes control, does not mean it won't make decisions you don't like.  In fact, history suggests customer desires for lower costs good and services, mixed with big business desires for profits and pressure on Govt officials will probably mean we all know what will happen.

[horlock07]

So, the DUP pull rank and prevent May from negotiating the deal as was.

To be honest, I'm not sure why the Irish think they can bargain on that point - surely once the Uk exits, a hard border is the default position, tough luck.  We don't get a trade deal with the EUk on exit, tough luck on us. Done.

Because they are religious nutjobs with a limited grasp on reality who have been granted a disproportionate amount of power by a lame duck who proved herself evermore clueless yesterday. Sod the EU, if the hard Brexiteers get their favoured utopia of reverting back to WTO rules there is a little thing called WTO most favoured nation rules which means that there will have to be a hard border for the UK to be allowed to trade in such a manner, this whole bollocks that its up to the RoI/EU to build a border if they insist on one is quite simply that - bollocks.

it's the price many are willing to pay to take some sort of sovereignty back.

I am no expert but I am still not sure our being at the whim of both the EU and the WTO with considerably less influence on their decision making is really what taking back sovereignty means?

What I will find interesting to watch is the reaction when the immigration numbers from the Commonwealth countries remains as is, or maybe even increases.  You will probably also an increase from countries such as the Philippines, Pakistan, the middle east etc.  Now, I am trying to say this nicely, but I guess a big majority of those voting on Brexit because of immigration may not be so happy with that outcome.

I know of a lot of people from West Yorkshire who voted leave purely on the basis that it would apparently mean 'less Asians coming over here', they are in for a shock.

[Batch]

am no expert but I am still not sure our being at the whim of both the EU and the WTO with considerably less influence on their decision making is really what taking back sovereignty means?

You're assuming a thought process there. That's not to say many many people who voted out didn't realise it, but I bet at least 2% didn't/probably still don't.

I know of a lot of people from West Yorkshire who voted leave purely on the basis that it would apparently mean 'less Asians coming over here', they are in for a shock.

Had an argument about that with someone on FB. Literally they didn't know < 50% of migrants were from inside the EU. Then they didn't know the % of those that contributed positively to our economy. It was like South Park "dey took urrrrr jooobs".