Let's Get Political!

[jayohaitchenn]

Are foreign lives worth less then British ones then?

[Red Frog]

PS, yes I realise my left-wing views don't match my forum hitler reputation.

Even Hitler called his party socialist. 

[Saxondale]

He's stolent he phrase 'living wage' and applied it to something that doesn't actually amount to the actual agreed living wage. It's a con.

Much like ceasing child poverty by just redefining it.

Unfortunately if you get to parrot something in a compliant right wing media enough it becomes the truth to the simple minded.

[DRS]

So how will under 21s who are genuinely homeless survive with housing benefits for them potentially being stopped. All hostels rely on this to accommodate them.

Also how will this work.

18 Year old gets a Apprenticeship on £120 a week. Doesn't live with parents so has to private rent. Not entitled to housing benefit anymore. What the fuck does he do?

[Ardiles]

A wage of £120/week implies pay of just over £3/hour.  No one could be expected to support themselves on that.  I was earning more than that as a teenager doing holiday temp work in Swindon factories 25 years ago.

[Reg Smeeton]

So how will under 21s who are genuinely homeless survive with housing benefits for them potentially being stopped. All hostels rely on this to accommodate them.

The traditional method is to turn to petty crime...usually drug dealing, whilst sofa surfing.

Back when I was that age, there was no such thing as housing benefit...admittedly the job market was better. 

Though a socialist by instinct, I've always believed in people being responsible for their own lives, as far as is possible.  By having this responsibility, then you are doing your bit for the wider collective society.

The collective should then look after those who are incapable of looking after themselves....your example is the sort of interface, which causes differences between Tories, Liberals and some socialists.

[DRS]

A wage of £120/week implies pay of just over £3/hour.  No one could be expected to support themselves on that.  I was earning more than that as a teenager doing holiday temp work in Swindon factories 25 years ago.

Thats correct but YTS ,Apprentiships rtc do not have to adhere to national min wage. Reg is spot on really

[Samdy Gray]

So how will under 21s who are genuinely homeless survive with housing benefits for them potentially being stopped. All hostels rely on this to accommodate them.

To prevent young people slipping straight into a life on benefits, from April 2017
the Budget will also remove the automatic entitlement to housing support for new
claims in Universal Credit from 18-21 year olds who are out of work. This will ensure
young people in the benefits system face the same choices as young people who work and who
may not be able to afford to leave home. There will be exemptions, including for vulnerable
young people, those who may not be able to return home to live with their parents, and those
who have been in work for 6 months prior to making a claim, who will continue to be able to
receive housing support for up to 6 months while they look for work.

[DRS]

Cheers Sam i am glad that's the case. Just be interesting to see what they deem as vulnerable now wont it

[Samdy Gray]

As I understand it (and I could be wrong) the removal of housing benefit is only for those out of work and claiming universal credit. If you're in work or training, you'll still be entitled.

[donkey]

Living wage only applies to those 25 and up. So if you can't afford to go to uni any more, you won't be entitled to a decent wage in whatever shitty job you can find.

And does anyone really think this would happen if the young voted in the same numbers as pensioners? There are no surprises here.

[Amir]

And does anyone really think this would happen if the young voted in the same numbers as pensioners? There are no surprises here.

I always thought if everyone voted we'd have a much different political landscape, and it frustrated me greatly when friends who had really strong opinions on things didn't vote.

Then I was talking to some Australian friends recently, and they told me it's obligatory to vote there, yet their political parties behave in a very similar way to ours. That said, the majority of Australians are cunts of gargantuan proportions, so maybe there it does reflect the will of all the people.

[Reg Smeeton]

 I'm impressed by the Tories latest wheeze....floating the idea of compulsory privatised health care and sickness benefit etc.

 You'll pay into a fund let's say n pound, so will be entitled to take out n pound....but not n+1, if you need it.

 Of course not something in the manifesto back in May.....don't suppose they'll be shareholders in the insurance companies either.

[janaage]

To be honest Reg with the introduction of auto enrolment on the pensions side, which is a huge shift from public to private later life provisions, it was only a matter of time before the government (of which ever colour) would follow suit on the risk side of things.

[Reg Smeeton]

To be honest Reg with the introduction of auto enrolment on the pensions side, which is a huge shift from public to private later life provisions, it was only a matter of time before the government (of which ever colour) would follow suit on the risk side of things.

Honesty and politicians, are a bit like honesty and journos.  If it's such a good idea, why wasn't it flagged up in May?