Adver News: Ferry sets sail at the end of an era

[DV]

Now, is that 1m (and our 2.4m for that matter)

All of our football related budget - wages, transfer fees, bonuses, agent fees, backroom staff wages or are those figures just players wages?

Can someone who has looked at previous accounts in some detail give any indication on what playing budget actually means.

[Flashheart]

With Roberts, Navarro, McEveley, Williams etc. still contracted for another year and drawing a higher wage than equivalent players at other clubs, the reality is next season Kmac will have less to work with financially than the manager of another club who on paper appears to be operating on an identical budget.

That's an important distinction to make when talking about competing with other teams who are superficially on the same budget as us.

Not to say that we can't compete on a lower budget, as Yeovil, Walsall and Leyton Orient have already shown. Just to point out making a direct comparison using a figure of £2.4 million compared to the budgets of other clubs isn't necessarily accurate or fair for showing what Kmac will actually have to work with when building his team for next season.

Those players you mention will still be playing for us so it;s not as though those wages have gone into a black hole somewhere. Plus, they may restrict KMAC's flexibility in the market yet I bet he'll still have a lot more flexibility than other managers in the league.

It's all relative. We are simply just a relatively large club in a league where many teams see attendances of 4-5k.

[BruceChatwin]

Those players you mention will still be playing for us so it;s not as though those wages have gone into a black hole somewhere. Plus, they may restrict KMAC's flexibility in the market yet I bet he'll still have a lot more flexibility than other managers in the league.

It's all relative. We are simply just a relatively large club in a league where many teams see attendances of 4-5k.

It's the fact that they'll still be playing for us that's part of my concern!

If they were twice as good as an equivalent player being paid half as much in another team, it obviously wouldn't be an issue, as we'd be paying a relative premium on a player twice as good. The reality is we're paying a lot more for players who aren't offering anything close to that relative return in quality.

Another club might be able to budget for three fairly decent players for the price we'll be paying next season for one fairly poor Gary Roberts. In that situation, our manager isn't competing on quite such an even keel to another manager overseeing an ostensibly similar budget.

[dagrumpymunki]

It's the fact that they'll still be playing for us that's part of my concern!

If they were twice as good as an equivalent player being paid half as much in another team, it obviously wouldn't be an issue, as we'd be paying a relative premium on a player twice as good. The reality is we're paying a lot more for players who aren't offering anything close to that relative return in quality.

Another club might be able to budget for three fairly decent players for the price we'll be paying next season for one fairly poor Gary Roberts. In that situation, our manager isn't competing on quite such an even keel to another manager overseeing an ostensibly similar budget.

You appear to be suggesting that our former manager has left us with a squad of overpaid ropey old shite. I've been abused fucking rotten for suggesting that this might be the case in the past.

[Flashheart]

It's the fact that they'll still be playing for us that's part of my concern!

If they were twice as good as an equivalent player being paid half as much in another team, it obviously wouldn't be an issue, as we'd be paying a relative premium on a player twice as good. The reality is we're paying a lot more for players who aren't offering anything close to that relative return in quality.

Another club might be able to budget for three fairly decent players for the price we'll be paying next season for one fairly poor Gary Roberts. In that situation, our manager isn't competing on quite such an even keel to another manager overseeing an ostensibly similar budget.

You're acting as though the remaining players are awful and a complete waste of money. They are not and would probably walk into half of the teams in the division. I expect those challenging for the top wouldn't say not to an on-form Gary Roberts either.

If they stay then KMAC already has players at his disposal that are better than what a lot of other managers could hope for PLUS the flexibility to do some dabbling of his own. If they go then that frees up more money for KMAC to play with. No matter how you may try to dress it up, KMAC has more at his disposal, whether it be funds or playing staff, than most other L1 managers.

[LucienSanchez]

If it's guaranteed that Williams will be a goal-shy shirker who lacks the bottle and desire, or that Navarro will be a fat, slow, injury-prone donkey with the mobility of STFC_Gazzza, or that Roberts will be a wasteful luxury player with no final ball or positional sense, we'll be better off with 6 cheaper alternatives.

Or we could have Williams frightening L1 cloggers to death causing havoc and banging in screamers, a rejuvenated Navarro bossing a midfield, breaking things up and linking defense with attack, and an on form Roberts beating his man, creating plenty and chipping in with some wonder-goals - which would probably all be worth the money.

Or in short, we'll have to wait and see what MacDonald can eek out of them to decide whether their perceived expense is justified.

[Flashheart]

If it's guaranteed that Williams will be a goal-shy shirker who lacks the bottle and desire, or that Navarro will be a fat, slow, injury-prone donkey with the mobility of STFC_Gazzza, or that Roberts will be a wasteful luxury player with no final ball or positional sense, we'll be better off with 6 cheaper alternatives.

Or we could have Williams frightening L1 cloggers to death causing havoc and banging in screamers, a rejuvenated Navarro bossing a midfield, breaking things up and linking defense with attack, and an on form Roberts beating his man, creating plenty and chipping in with some wonder-goals - which would probably all be worth the money.

Or in short, we'll have to wait and see what MacDonald can eek out of them to decide whether their perceived expense is justified.

Absolutely.

[Dr Pierre Chang]

Some common sense at last.

Remember when we announced the triple signing of Williams, Collins and Roberts? They were hailed as our best signings for years and the players who would win us the league.

Even the likes of McEvely and Navarro were welcomed and seen as good signings. Troy seemed promising but has not been helped by the tribunal fee adding to expectation around him.

dalumpimunki - your anti PdC shite really is tedious.

[Iffy's Onion Bhaji]

I wonder if the likes of Roberts, Caddis, Williams and Navarro will be put up for sale by the club? Let's be honest their wages are something we could do without especially the most the first and last of those mentioned. Would anyone take Roberts? Probably but I doubt they would for the wages he's probably on now.

[Dr Pierre Chang]

I expect Caddis will go, as he would have done regardless of the fincancial situation, and there would surely be interest in the likes of Williams, Roberts and Navarro.

Williams was superb first half of the season and you would have to say he is the only one of the 3 we would get a fee for.

Aside from him, it's only Foderingham and Collins who I could see fetching a fee.

[tans]

Have they not told you they are staying yet

[wigglesworth]

Alan McCormack is a leader of men, absolutely imperative we keep him. Ferry less so.

£2.8k per week for a creative midfielder who can't score?? I've always thought ferry is too lightweight for league one anyway, still do. I know he's a funny guy and a favourite with the twitter retards, but this aint a big loss. Move on and build for the future.

Alan Mac is a fucking shining example of everything you want from your players, as a supporter of a lower league team. Hope we get to keep Wes though, but can't see it myself.

[BruceChatwin]

You're acting as though the remaining players are awful and a complete waste of money. They are not and would probably walk into half of the teams in the division. I expect those challenging for the top wouldn't say not to an on-form Gary Roberts either.

If they stay then KMAC already has players at his disposal that are better than what a lot of other managers could hope for PLUS the flexibility to do some dabbling of his own. If they go then that frees up more money for KMAC to play with. No matter how you may try to dress it up, KMAC has more at his disposal, whether it be funds or playing staff, than most other L1 managers.

Some of those players were awful for large parts of the season and have been a complete waste of money. I don't know how you can form a judgement to the contrary based on what we've been seeing week in, week out over the course of the regular season.

The suggestion that other teams wouldn't say no to an in-form Gary Roberts is irrelevant. WE wouldn't say no to an in-form Gary Roberts either. The reality is we are yet to see an in-form Gary Roberts. The pertinent question is not would those challenging for the top say yes to an in-form Gary Roberts, it's would they say yes to an OUT-of-form Gary Roberts getting three times the wages of another player offering a similar level of performance?

How can being stuck with someone like that for next year translate to Kmac having more flexibility in the market than a manager operating on the same budget without such a player stuck on his wage bill?

Edit: (I'm talking about being stuck with under-performing, overpriced players like Roberts, Navarro, Mcevely next year. Obviously having good players like Foderingham, Ward, Thompson (hopefully) next year will be an advantage over some other teams, balancing it out somewhat, which may well have been what you were getting at in original post).

[DV]

Alan McCormack is a leader of men, absolutely imperative we keep him. Ferry less so.

£2.8k per week for a creative midfielder who can't score?? I've always thought ferry is too lightweight for league one anyway, still do. I know he's a funny guy and a favourite with the twitter retards, but this aint a big loss. Move on and build for the future.

Alan Mac is a fucking shining example of everything you want from your players, as a supporter of a lower league team. Hope we get to keep Wes though, but can't see it myself.

Releasing our best outfield player is no big loss and a move to build for the future?

I'd take him over Alan McComack every day of the week, he's a better player.

[Flashheart]

How can being stuck with someone like that for next year translate to Kmac having MORE flexibility in the market than a manager operating on the same budget without such a player stuck on his wage bill?

You seem to be missing the point that we will have a LARGER budget than most other teams in L1. In some cases, considerably so.