Whats wrong with football?

[dalumpimunki]

The hypocrisy of football organisations merrily plastering betting brands on anything that stays still long enough and then acting all pearl clutchy when some of their players bet is just phenomenal. Not surprising though...

They can bet. Just not on football. It's not difficult to understand and the blanket ban makes it very clear. Vary from that and it makes it bloody complicated. Bet on a former club you still have links with? Allowed or not? Bet on a transfer you've been tipped about. Basically insider trading. Total ban only thing that works and EVERY bloody player knows the rule. If they insist on betting on the game then it's because they think they can pick up easy money from insider knowledge.

[DMC]

They can bet. Just not on football. It's not difficult to understand and the blanket ban makes it very clear. Vary from that and it makes it bloody complicated. Bet on a former club you still have links with? Allowed or not? Bet on a transfer you've been tipped about. Basically insider trading. Total ban only thing that works and EVERY bloody player knows the rule. If they insist on betting on the game then it's because they think they can pick up easy money from insider knowledge.

In no other sport though does this happen funnily enough

[dalumpimunki]

In no other sport though does this happen funnily enough

World Rugby, the ICC, the NFL, the NBA all ban players from getting on their sport so I'm not sure what you mean.

[RobertT]

Calvin Ridley got suspended for a year for the Falcons.

[Bogus Dave]

NFL won’t let you bet on anything at all if it’s at or on company business/location. Gambling in America is about 20 years behind here (only recently legalised I think, sure Rob T will know more) - it’s startling sometimes listening to some American podcasts and how positive and encouraging they are about gambling

[Batch]

where and how long you have been able to bet on sports depends on state. Still banned in some, but has been around in others for a while.

for example 'sportsbooks' were introduced into Vegas in the mid 70s (which still seems like ages ago). The first legal casino was 1931.

[DMC]

World Rugby, the ICC, the NFL, the NBA all ban players from getting on their sport so I'm not sure what you mean.

Apologies meant in the UK . I actually agree i was meaning there should be more sports banning there own from gambling

[Bogus Dave]

where and how long you have been able to bet on sports depends on state. Still banned in some, but has been around in others for a while.

for example 'sportsbooks' were introduced into Vegas in the mid 70s (which still seems like ages ago). The first legal casino was 1931.

There was definitely some de-restrictions of some kind in the past few years though

[Posh Red]

We were in Dallas a few years ago and my son tried to bet online but all the websites he uses at home were blocked.

[Batch]

you are quite right Dave,

https://www.bettingusa.com/states/

Legal sports betting has expanded as well thanks to a 2018 Supreme Court decision striking down the federal prohibition. In addition to Nevada, we now have legal sports betting in Delaware, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Mississippi and additional states since then.

There's a bit of a weird situation with online betting it seems
   - horse racing - fine
   - sports betting not fine
   - other betting (online casino, etc). Not fine (pre 2011), then fine (2011), then possibly not fine (2019)

Maybe Rob will tell us its moved on but it certainly seems way more restricted than here.

[Peter Venkman]

[horlock07]

Is there a summary somewhere detailing what these charges actually relate to, as their ridiculous spunking on players and wages seem little different to a plethora of clubs both here and abroad?

[Peter Venkman]

Is there a summary somewhere detailing what these charges actually relate to, as their ridiculous spunking on players and wages seem little different to a plethora of clubs both here and abroad?

From what I can find

An investigation into potential rule breaking at Manchester City is focused on illegal payments for underage players, inflated sponsorship deals and hidden salary payments made to a former manager

[RobertT]

you are quite right Dave,

https://www.bettingusa.com/states/

There's a bit of a weird situation with online betting it seems
   - horse racing - fine
   - sports betting not fine
   - other betting (online casino, etc). Not fine (pre 2011), then fine (2011), then possibly not fine (2019)

Maybe Rob will tell us its moved on but it certainly seems way more restricted than here.

Online is a mess right now - there were moves to free this up and most of the big British betting companies started sniffing around to try and get into the market.  The rules are a mish mash - so Federal rules relaxed a little a I think, but then you have State laws to circumvent.  Keep in mind, Gambling and Alcohol are still seen as Sins by many in the Religious world and the USA inherited Europes Puritans.  The County I live in has only just recently allowed a Liquor store to open and in Pennsylvania, the State buys and sells all alcohol as a single Wholesaler - you cannot buy any alcohol in a Supermarket.

At the Casino level it is very different.  Gambling in person is pretty much banned by all States - Nevada has a small carve out specifically for the Mob/Mormon's, which we no know as Vegas.  However, any Reservation land is not impacted by such State/Federal laws, and so anything seen as revenue from industries of ill repute have gravitated to them - given how their land was raped from them, then sucking the white persons money from them seems the least they could do in revenge.  Hence you'll often find a random massive Casino resort/City appear out of nowehere.

So the short answer is, fucked if anyone really knows - assume it's banned!

It is a bit weird that they then talk about odds all over standard sports programmes.  You also have a massive following of Fantasy Leagues, where prize money sort of replaces the gambling.

[horlock07]

From what I can find

Ta, I've said before if City were up to something I strongly suspect every one of the big clubs in the PL plus the big European clubs were doing likewise!