luke mccormick

[joteddyred]

I'm with Ardiles completely.  The whole situation around rehabilitation would make sense if he was our player before this happened.  He wasn't and as I mentioned earlier in the thread, Plymouth didn't even wait for the court case before cutting all ties.  Why should we risk  alienating an element of our support in order to assist with something that is bugger all to do with us? It's not worth the upset and hassle it's caused and the longer term consequences for the club could be disastrous.  I'm more concerned about that than Luke Mccormick being rehabilitated and if that bothers anyone I'm sorry.

Another point which may have been mentioned and I've missed, was that he also had no insurance, which actually makes the final outcome of drink driving on top even worse imo.

[wokinghamred]

Or for Di canio to say he doesn't think he's good enough for our squad

If we are rehabilitating the guy, whether he is good enough for the squad is irrelevant.

[Rustle]

Hope  you dont mind me asking.What is your wifes view

She thinks he should be able to work at the club but more behind the scenes so it's out of the public limelight.Her story was not the same as the drunk driver was a hit and run which makes thing's different.

[jonny72]

Another point which may have been mentioned and I've missed, was that he also had no insurance, which actually makes the final outcome of drink driving on top even worse imo.

Maybe it hasn't been mentioned because it isn't true?

A charge of driving without insurance has been withdrawn, the court heard. Prosecutor Robert Price said it appeared to be an "administrative error" that McCormick's insurance details were not on a national database, and that the defendant had produced an insurance document which was accepted as genuine.

Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/177261-footballer-charged-with-deaths

[Batch]

Wray should stay true to his beliefs, not quit, and if crowds fall to 4,000 next season, so be it. What he shouldn't do is pander to the ill-informed, those who don't want to listen to his reasons, and those who shout the loudest.

Does not agreeing make me ill informed? I've heard his argument and although I changed my stance on what the motivations were for bringing in McCormick, I still hold my belief that it is the wrong thing to do (though I'd never not attend games on the issue, even had we signed him).
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One thing that has nagged at me, the media reported McCormick was off on pre-season tour with the squad. Was that report false?

[Swindon Please Win]

One thing that has nagged at me, the media reported McCormick was off on pre-season tour with the squad. Was that report false?

They must have assumed that he was going on trial, saw we were going to Italy on a tour and must of added 1 and 1 together.

[Flashheart]

Oh, come on

He's not saying people that people disagreeing with the rehabilitation issue are ill informed. He's saying that people still raging against us signing him, for example, are ill informed. They are ill informed because that is simply not the case.

[leftside]

I'm with Ardiles completely.  The whole situation around rehabilitation would make sense if he was our player before thifl qs happened.  He wasn't and as I mentioned earlier in the thread, Plymouth didn't even wait for the court case before cutting all ties.  Why should we risk  alienating an element of our support in order to assist with something that is bugger all to do with.  It's not worth the upset and hassle it's caused and the longer term consequences for the club could be disastrous.  I'm more concerned about that than Luke Mccormick being rehabilitated and if that bothers anyone I'm sorry.

Another point which may have been mentioned and I've missed, was that he also had no insurance, which actually makes the final outcome of drink driving on top even worse imo.

Yes, perhaps Plymouth would have been a better place for him, but I don't know whether this was investigated/offered/declined. I also have no idea about the locational considerations for this kind of day release scheme. I don't think STFC and Wray are doing anything wrong and I admire them for confronting it. Like all of us, I hope it does not lead to a disastrous outcome for the club. If it does, I won't be laying any blame on Wray.

Your views, and Ardiles' views aren't bothersome to me, so no need to apologise as far as I'm concerned.

[leftside]

Does not agreeing make me ill informed? I've heard his argument and although I changed my stance on what the motivations were for bringing in McCormick, I still hold my belief that it is the wrong thing to do (though I'd never not attend games on the issue, even had we signed him).
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One thing that has nagged at me, the media reported McCormick was off on pre-season tour with the squad. Was that report false?

No not at all. As Flash has said, there have been ill-informed, ie factually incorrect, statements made despite what Wray has said.

You are perfectly entitled to maintain your view that what STFC has done regarding McCormick is a wrong decision. I've nothing against that.

Not sure about the tour thing.

[leefer]

If we are rehabilitating the guy, whether he is good enough for the squad is irrelevant.

How do you work that out?.....there are lots of prisoners ready for Rehab who need rehab.....are they invited as well?

As far as i am aware no pub footy footballers serving time have been invited...so of course it is relevant.

[Batch]

No not at all. As Flash has said, there have been ill-informed, ie factually incorrect, statements made despite what Wray has said.

Sorry, read it the wrong way.

[wokinghamred]

How do you work that out?.....there are lots of prisoners ready for Rehab who need rehab.....are they invited as well?

As far as i am aware no pub footy footballers serving time have been invited...so of course it is relevant.

Ad how many of those has Swindon been asked to assist ? I'm sure you have the facts to hand.

[Flashheart]

Leefer. How many amateur/pub footy footballers have football as their trade?

[Arriba]

If everyone shared that view McCormick and others would never be integrated back into society. We'd have more re-offenders with less being contributed to society.

I committed a drink driving offence nearly 5 years ago. It was stupid of me and I was punished. Although I didn't crash my car or cause harm to anyone I potentially could have done. Some people said I should have been banned from driving for life. Let me tell you that the ban I got was punishment enough and I also attended a driving & alcohol awareness course which was worth my attendance, though I really can't believe the DSA doesn't include a whole section of driving theory on alcohol. They do for speed and have even started adding in some basic safety checks into the practical test. Why not alcohol/perils of drink driving?

Due to being able to get on with my life and career, the tax, national insurance and student loan contributions made each month due to my earnings are 2.5 times that of 5 years ago. If I had not been lucky enough to live in our society this wouldn't be the case.

If you never looked to rehabilitate anyone and let the public decide the length of sentences then you'd probably still be locked up for pinching a packet of sweets from the shop when you were 8 years old. It's human nature to let emotions rule and somewhere one person will be more upset by an offence than another. These people often scream loudest.

I will say however, that I feel McCormick's sentence was lenient and I'm in no way stating that the things above are as bad as McCormick's offence. But that part is over with which is what Wray is trying to explain and that's not the club's issue.

I'm with you completely on this subject and can relate to your own experience. You've made great points in this and other threads on this subject and they have not been picked up on. People should be taking notice if they are not.
 I would be locked up with the key thrown away myself. People can reform(which is what it is about)

As the case has been in the court and the sensationalist attitudes to it are there for all to see you make a good point about the difficulty in getting work.
Employers will look at his record and dismiss him immediately for a potential job.

[leefer]

Leefer. How many amateur/pub footy footballers have football as their trade?

Point taken.....but if you believe the club are doing this just for rehab reasons then they are taking a dodgy line in my view.
As  have stated in my opinion some crimes mean you pay the ultimate price with regards your future employment.
Maybe time inside could have been spent training for a future career.....he hasn't got one in pro football i dont think.....some people will see that as sad....some will see that as a price paid for doing something as devasting as he did.

I think we can all agree on the fact it is a very hard subject for an easy answer.