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« Reply #165 on: Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:12:01 » |
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i hope so
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This is the water. And this is the well. Drink full and descend. The horse is the white of the eyes and dark within.
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« Reply #166 on: Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:53:12 » |
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good thread, ive always been interested in stuff like this and i watch it on the documentary channels if its good enough to hold my attention. i would consider myself agnostic/atheist as i am pretty scepical about most things. but as someone did mention i believe there may be something after death but these are only from personal expieriences. This is just out of interest BTW as ive never read the bible and really dont have any intention of doing so, but what to people think about the stuff that was kept out of the bible and hidden because of what people might of thought cant remember what exactly but some-one must know what im on about 
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« Reply #167 on: Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:58:54 » |
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I think there was something saying that christians didn't have to go to church to worship God but that they could do it anywhere, anytime, but the Church didn't want this revealed as then they thought people wouldn't attend church?
I'm probably talking total rubbish btw!
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« Reply #168 on: Monday, May 23, 2011, 23:27:02 » |
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I've never got round to looking at the stuff that was left out in too much detail - all I really know is that it was the stuff thought unreliable, largely because of the people it was written by, the lack of reliable copies of the original documents, and the fact it didn't really match up with the rest of the new testament
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« Reply #169 on: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 05:59:06 » |
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I think there was something saying that christians didn't have to go to church to worship God but that they could do it anywhere, anytime, but the Church didn't want this revealed as then they thought people wouldn't attend church?
I'm probably talking total rubbish btw!
that's the fun twist in the film stigmata, it's apparently the gospel of thomas
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« Reply #170 on: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 07:01:28 » |
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I do enjoy the irony of non-religous people forcing their beliefs onto others
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« Reply #171 on: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 07:45:08 » |
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what do you believers make of the old testiment? surely that has to be believed too?
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« Reply #172 on: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 07:47:21 » |
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what do you believers make of the old testiment? surely that has to be believed too?
Why?
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« Reply #173 on: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 07:50:41 » |
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same book innit.if you believe in the bible then shouldn't that be in it's entirety.
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« Reply #174 on: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 08:00:24 » |
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Still no.
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« Reply #175 on: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 08:02:59 » |
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I disagree. It's absolutist nonsense like this that skews the whole debate...the assumption that everyone is in one camp or the other and either believes in everything or nothing.
What I do believe is that there is a higher being or force out there. I believe this because there are certain physical fundamentals that cannot be explained by science alone. (And I have a science degree...I'm not blinkered.) There are many leading academics who also take this view. My earlier post in this thread that touched (very briefly) on the origin of the universe is one such fundamental.
What this does not mean is that I then have to believe every story from an ancient text written by people who lived thousands of years ago whose perspective was very different from our own. It staggers me that people would assume that I do. It makes about as much sense as telling someone they must believe in the Loch Ness Monster because they also believe that Scotland exists.
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« Reply #176 on: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 08:15:14 » |
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Don't you go telling me Nessy is some sort of myth.....
Nessy is real, and Nessy is aceness !!!
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« Reply #177 on: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 08:35:35 » |
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I've never got round to looking at the stuff that was left out in too much detail - all I really know is that it was the stuff thought unreliable, largely because of the people it was written by, the lack of reliable copies of the original documents, and the fact it didn't really match up with the rest of the new testament
A lot of it simply didn't fit in with the story those in charge wanted it to tell. The most obvious example of this is the insinuation that the Jews were responsible for Jesus' death, because the bible was compiled for a Roman audience who probably wouldn't take too well to hearing that they'd killed the son of god. You really have to take all of it with a huge pinch of salt, getting what you can out of the gospels without taking them at face value. There are some great lessons in there. The Old Testament on the other hand is such a contridiction of Jesus' teaching that it should really be dismissed outright by any thinking person. For STFCBath - "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." Matthew 18:20 This is line that is used to hammer it into people that they have to go to church to be with God, even though God is supposedly all-seeing, all-knowing and all-powerful. If you didn't have to go to church for God to be there, then how would they get to control people?
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« Reply #178 on: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 08:41:57 » |
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I do enjoy the irony of non-religous people forcing their beliefs onto others
I think it's more a case of standing up to religion. Religion has forced itself onto everyone for generations and got very rich as a result. It's about time those who oppose it stand up and be counted and not sit around passively and let religion wade through our world without anyone keeping it in check. It's been exempt from criticism and opposition for too long. Some might say it's no different than the religious telling others how to think or self-righteously proclaiming they own the moral high-ground, and in a way it isn't, but it's providing balance and ensuring religion doesn't have free reign. It's showing an alternative does exist and that there are many people that don't believe you'll burn in hell because you've upset a tyrannical egotist for finding "his book" a bit flimsy.
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« Reply #179 on: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 09:01:39 » |
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I disagree. It's absolutist nonsense like this that skews the whole debate...the assumption that everyone is in one camp or the other and either believes in everything or nothing.
What I do believe is that there is a higher being or force out there. I believe this because there are certain physical fundamentals that cannot be explained by science alone. (And I have a science degree...I'm not blinkered.) There are many leading academics who also take this view. My earlier post in this thread that touched (very briefly) on the origin of the universe is one such fundamental.
What this does not mean is that I then have to believe every story from an ancient text written by people who lived thousands of years ago whose perspective was very different from our own. It staggers me that people would assume that I do. It makes about as much sense as telling someone they must believe in the Loch Ness Monster because they also believe that Scotland exists.
for me to believe in it i would have to in it's entirety.that is why i don't as it's full of ridiculous contradictions that become more far fetched by the day. my question was genuine.i find many christians take the bits they want and discount the bits they dont.for something so massive as a belief in god it has to overwhelm every other explanation out there.it doesn't do that for me, but i'm curious to see what genuine believers think.
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