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« Reply #7395 on: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 06:27:04 »

Barry I wasn't trying to be rude, but I think there's a genuine concern that as a heck of a lot of people don't take advice now (when the cost of advice is basically subsidised for the likes of us smaller investors by the people with 'proper' lump sums) how many people will take advice next year when pretty much every adviser will be charging people up front for giving you advice. Answer? Not many, it's a dig at the FSA more than the people of the UK.

So not only are they doing their best to destroy pensions, by constantly changing the rules, which the general population aren't keen on, investments are next on the list, and it won't be long before protections hit too. Well as things look like panning out.

Ignore me, I get precious and defensive! Smiley

To be honest, I've always had an issue with Tied Advisors, so if all Advisors charge up front, I think it's a good thing making things more transparent. (Of course, I don't know much about the industry so could be completely wrong, it just feels better to me.)

With regard to pensions, I've always thought they're a fucking joke. As I think you allude to, they always seemed unnecessarily complex (I'm guessing that's to protect the government from handing over too much tax relief?) and with constant changes (I know not of the changes, I just note you mention them) it can't make them any easier, or more desirable, to use as something to put money into. Annuity rates always seemed sickening to me as well. It just seems there's no real incentive to even start one - at least not in an obvious and enticing way to the layman like me - hence why many need financial advice I suspect.

It used to seem to me that unless you could go into Drawdown, which again is far, far worse than it was, or you had one of the older ones, where you were entitled to 33% up front, the whole "investment" ends up looking like a bitterly disappointing waste of years of premiums for a tiny token annual payment.

You can also look online to do your research, instead of paying a financial advisor, who generally will point you to the best option he can get a good (not best) deal for you as well as the best commission for him

This is something that is illegal. An advisor should always give you the advice that best benefits you, not him/her. The trouble is, and this is my main bugbear, some advisors are tied to one or several financial organisations, and although they should advise if they can't provide a suitable product, I've always felt it wrong that they can only provide "independent advice" for products from one provider or a small group of providers.

Also, I think getting advice online, from places like Yahoo Answers and what not, is probably a very bad idea. After all, everyone online thinks they're an expert and invariably they're nothing more than a pedantic keyboard warrior with a love for their own words and Wikipedia gleaned knowledge.
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« Reply #7396 on: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 06:51:58 »

You can also look online to do your research, instead of paying a financial advisor, who generally will point you to the best option he can get a good (not best) deal for you as well as the best commission for him

And I suppose you think all coppers are bent too?

If you choose not to use an adviser, that's your prerogative. But you'll still pay for the cost of that commission in product charges, it just gets pocketed by the provider.
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« Reply #7397 on: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 07:52:44 »

Who should I go to for some financial advice? I've got a good sum of money to save and it's sitting in my savings and ISA account at the moment, doing pretty much fuck all. Need to get it sorted before I go away at the end of July.

I bank with Co-Op/Smile, would they be worth starting with?

Depends how much you're talking, length of investment, need for access, attitude to risk etc. etc.

Unlike jan, I'm not a fan of structured products. Some can be very complex and not all have FSCS protection.
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« Reply #7398 on: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 07:58:25 »

And I suppose you think all coppers are bent too?

If you choose not to use an adviser, that's your prerogative. But you'll still pay for the cost of that commission in product charges, it just gets pocketed by the provider.

What a stupid quote about coppers??? No, not all coppers are bent BTW

If you do your research correctly you will find that you can get the same deal without paying the commission. But hey, it's your choice
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« Reply #7399 on: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 08:18:25 »

I'm getting 9% by lending to small businesses through Funding Circle... helping out and making a tidy bit at the same time.
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« Reply #7400 on: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 08:18:29 »

What a stupid quote about coppers??? No, not all coppers are bent BTW

Exactly. In the same way that not all advisers will only flog you a product because it pays the best commission.

Sure, you can get the "same deal" without paying any explicit commission, but if you're still paying the same premium then where's the net gain?
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« Reply #7401 on: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 08:31:06 »

The easiest way to invest in stocks, by far, is the fund supermarket route, surely?  If you go to a fund supermarket/broker like Fidelity or Hargreaves Lansdown, they will do the research for you.  Extensive write ups and recommendations available on their websites, so you can construct a portfolio that matches your personal risk profile.  And because they buy in bulk from the individual fund managers, the upfront charges (which can often be as high as 5%) are typically waived.

Not without its pitfalls though.  This is exactly the route I took about 2 weeks ago when I finally got around to setting up a stocks & shares ISA.  I took Jan's view that the markets were a long way off their peak and that now was a good time to get in.  And then days later, the Greek exit from the Euro got pushed right up the news and the markets bombed again.  It's a long term investment, I know, but I'm currently 4.5% down!
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« Reply #7402 on: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 08:42:25 »

Absolutely. A good route to take if you want to DIY. Personally Transact is my platform of choice because they rebate fund manager commissions (Fidelity and HL don't) but that's only available through IFAs (perks of the job and all that).
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Coca Fola

« Reply #7403 on: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:03:39 »

Solve this.

I was just sat in my room and then BANG I'm covered in smoothie, as is most my room. An unopened bottle of smoothie just exploded for no reason, how? It's not pressurised surely, fruit's not meant to be dangerous.
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« Reply #7404 on: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:04:36 »

Fermentation?
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Coca Fola

« Reply #7405 on: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:06:09 »

I did buy it when it was reduced and the use by date was a couple of days ago. Surely not...
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« Reply #7406 on: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:17:32 »

Solve this.

I was just sat in my room and then BANG I'm covered in smoothie, as is most my room. An unopened bottle of smoothie just exploded for no reason, how? It's not pressurised surely, fruit's not meant to be dangerous.

Did you film it?  Is there CCTV in your room?  Please tell me there is.  Please.
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« Reply #7407 on: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:17:44 »

Left by a turned on radiator?
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Coca Fola

« Reply #7408 on: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:21:40 »

Did you film it?  Is there CCTV in your room?  Please tell me there is.  Please.
Unfortunately not.
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« Reply #7409 on: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:22:01 »

What flavour was it? Grenadine?
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