Trivial things you don't understand/mildly annoy you

[Ironside]

What, in an Iain Paisley sort of way?

Yep

[König]

What would the implications be if Scotland were to become independent? Would England lose business interests? All i seem to hear is that England dishes out money to Scotland for their education, health care etc but what do England actually get back?

[Ironside]

What would the implications be if Scotland were to become independent? Would England lose business interests? All i seem to hear is that England dishes out money to Scotland for their education, health care etc but what do England actually get back?

Fuck all.

This whole "Scotland can survive becasue we have oil" etc will last another 20 years at most and then they'll be fucking skint but have loads of useless windmills that don't work half the time and they'll either start sucking German cock or beg to return to the union.

Simplified (for Ardiles)

[Arriba]

People who are part a tiny island and want to be seperate from England is fucking ridiculous.
Why?
We all get shafted by the government anyway

[Flashheart]

People who are part a tiny island and want to be seperate from England is fucking ridiculous.
Why?

Because they want their freeeeeeeeeeedooooooooommmmmmm

[leefer]

Let the Scots have independence if they want it,but that means no Scots in Westminster in my opinion....i mean will there be any English MP's in the Scottish government

Also then we can let the Scots and Welsh pay for there medication also,why have us English got to pay for medicine but they dont ,sounds trivial enough and it annoys me.

[Baggins]

Let the Scots have independence if they want it,but that means no Scots in Westminster in my opinion....i mean will there be any English MP's in the Scottish government

Also then we can let the Scots and Welsh pay for there medication also,why have us English got to pay for medicine but they dont ,sounds trivial enough and it annoys me.

Let the Scots have independence if they want it,but that means no Scots in Westminster in my opinion....i mean will there be any English MP's in the Scottish government

Also then we can let the Scots and Welsh pay for there medication also,why have us English got to pay for medicine but they dont ,sounds trivial enough and it annoys me.

I might be wrong, but aren't those issues of public spending over which the Welsh Assembly and Scottish Parliament have control?  As I understand it, the Welsh and Scots have a budget for the issues over which they have control, and they have decided to provide free prescriptions.  Their choice - Westminster could do the same.

[Ironside]

I might be wrong, but aren't those issues of public spending over which the Welsh Assembly and Scottish Parliament have control?  As I understand it, the Welsh and Scots have a budget for the issues over which they have control, and they have decided to provide free prescriptions.  Their choice - Westminster could do the same.

But they are net recipients and not net contibutors to UK finances. In other words, they get out more than they put in. So they get more than they earn but they don't have to cover the cost of things like defence, as one example of many. Of course they're bettor off in the union and Salmond is the swaety version of Evans.

[leefer]

I might be wrong, but aren't those issues of public spending over which the Welsh Assembly and Scottish Parliament have control?  As I understand it, the Welsh and Scots have a budget for the issues over which they have control, and they have decided to provide free prescriptions.  Their choice - Westminster could do the same.

Correct but it isnt rocket science to work out that the English government is paying the medical bill is it,i mean the Scots are the unhealthiest nation in Europe(fact)and they pay zilch for medicine....fucking joke.

Also its a bit rich asking to have seats in London while having your own government surely?

[Arriba]

And the elderly there dont have to sell their homes to pay for their care when they are pissing themselves and on their way out. Fuck,they have it better than us already the stupid jock cunts...

[Ardiles]

If (big if) the Scots do vote to remain in the union post 2014, it's fair to assume that there will be a greater level of devolution than there is now.  Cameron even put that offer on the table a few days ago.  The other thing that it's fair to assume is that there will have to be more there on the table for the English who, quite rightly, feel as if they (we) are getting a rough deal at the moment.

All of which, in my view, means that we would move towards a more federal structure in future.  In Germany, the US, Switzerland - to name just a few countries - different parts of the country set their own taxes and their own priorities.  There's nothing unusual in that.  The key piece of the jigsaw that's missing is that England needs some bodies that look after its local interests in the way that that Holyrood/Welsh Assembley look after the interests of Scotland and Wales.  We're under-represented at the moment, and that has to change.

I know not everyone will share this view, but my own take is that the common interests we have with the other parts of the UK massively outweigh the differences.  A complete split, in my view, would be a real shame.  But a federal structure, with the constituent nations of the UK setting their own agendas in agreed areas, is something that I think could work quite well.

[Ironside]

If (big if) the Scots do vote to remain in the union post 2014, it's fair to assume that there will be a greater level of devolution than there is now.  The other thing that it's fair to assume is that there will have to be more there on the table for the English who, quite rightly, feel as if we are getting a rough deal at the moment.

All of which, in my view, means that we would move towards a more federal structure in future.  In Germany, the US, Switzerland - to name just a few countries - different parts of the country set their own taxes and their own priorities.  There's nothing unusual in that.  The key piece of the jigsaw that's missing is that England needs some bodies that look after its local interests in the way that that Holyrood/Welsh Assembley look after the interests of Scotland and Wales.

I know not everyone will share this view, but my own take is that the common interests we have with the other parts of the UK massively outweigh the differences.  A complete split, in my view, would be a real shame.  But a federal structure, with the constituent nations of the UK setting their own agendas in agreed areas, is something that I think could work quite well.

So you're saying that you would like to see a "Federation of the British Isles"? Possibly including a united Ireland?

Devolved powers on pretty much everything except Defence, Foreign affairs etc but having the ability to tax and spend at a constituent nation level?

[Flashheart]

If (big if) the Scots do vote to remain in the union post 2014, it's fair to assume that there will be a greater level of devolution than there is now.  Cameron even put that offer on the table a few days ago.  The other thing that it's fair to assume is that there will have to be more there on the table for the English who, quite rightly, feel as if they (we) are getting a rough deal at the moment.

All of which, in my view, means that we would move towards a more federal structure in future.  In Germany, the US, Switzerland - to name just a few countries - different parts of the country set their own taxes and their own priorities.  There's nothing unusual in that.  The key piece of the jigsaw that's missing is that England needs some bodies that look after its local interests in the way that that Holyrood/Welsh Assembley look after the interests of Scotland and Wales.  We're under-represented at the moment, and that has to change.

I know not everyone will share this view, but my own take is that the common interests we have with the other parts of the UK massively outweigh the differences.  A complete split, in my view, would be a real shame.  But a federal structure, with the constituent nations of the UK setting their own agendas in agreed areas, is something that I think could work quite well.

Roughly summarised as having their cake, and eating it?

[Ardiles]

I'm saying that a greater level of devolution of powers away from Westminster to the constituent nations (including England) is more or less inevitable.  What you call it is not really an issue for me...but the devolution train is pretty much unstoppable, I'd say.  And once you go sufficiently far down the path to devolution, you have a federal structure.  That's all I'm saying.

Not sure where the Republic of Ireland would come in to this.  Not part of my thinking.

[Arriba]

I'd like to see a united Ireland.
Don't agree with terrorism but the IRA's cause is just.