Israel, getting away with it again...

[pauld]

Absolute load of bollocks.  So was launching an air attack against a Norweigian UN camp an attack against the terrorists a couple of years back?   I suppose they were hiding the missile launchers too.

Phil orginally said (damn the lack of nested quoting) that what the Israelis are doing is similar to what we are doing in Afghanistan. Assuming by "we" he's including all Western forces over there, not just the UK, there's been a large amount of civilian casualties caused by NATO attacks on terrorists hiding among the civilian population in Afghanistan. That's pretty much a direct comparison to be fair. I shouldn't imagine the NATO forces *intend* to blow up civilian wedding parties etc any more than the Israelis *intended* to attack the UN base, or indeed kill civilians themselves. But in neither case, Israelis or NATO, are they being terribly careful about "collateral damage" (ie dead civilians). So I'd say Phil's point is pretty much bang on tbh - there's a direct comparison between how "we" as part of a joint NATO effort are going about our business in Afghanistan and how the Israelis are doing it in Gaza. I'm making no comment on the morality of either campaign, merely pointing out Phil was not talking "Absolute load of bollocks" but made a very fair comparison IMO

[BANGKOK RED]

But that's what discussions are about aren't they?  Whether it be here, or a drunken putting the world to rights up the pub, telling her indoors what you think, or just shouting at the TV.  I don't consider myself an expert on many things but I'd have a chat and a debate about most things, good way of learning about the world I reckon.

Do you shout at the TV Jan?

[Ironside]

Do you shout at the TV Jan?

This thread, since it got ressurected today, has made me swear at my lap-top.

Phil talks arse by the way.

[Don Rogers Shop]

Fuck me this will win the longest thread. The fighting will go on for years. As long as the palestinians keep launching attacks then cowardly retreating to civilian spots then the innocent will die. Its war ,nothing new has happened for centurys.

[BANGKOK RED]

They where making some headway until Yasser died weren't they?

How in-considerate for him to die at such a time.

[Ardiles]

This thread, since it got ressurected today, has made me swear at my lap-top.

That's because you seem to be permanently angry.

I worry for you.  Seriously.  Could be bad for your health.  (By the way...do you have a Wikipedia page?)

[janaage]

Phil orginally said (damn the lack of nested quoting) that what the Israelis are doing is similar to what we are doing in Afghanistan. Assuming by "we" he's including all Western forces over there, not just the UK, there's been a large amount of civilian casualties caused by NATO attacks on terrorists hiding among the civilian population in Afghanistan. That's pretty much a direct comparison to be fair. I shouldn't imagine the NATO forces *intend* to blow up civilian wedding parties etc any more than the Israelis *intended* to attack the UN base, or indeed kill civilians themselves. But in neither case, Israelis or NATO, are they being terribly careful about "collateral damage" (ie dead civilians). So I'd say Phil's point is pretty much bang on tbh - there's a direct comparison between how "we" as part of a joint NATO effort are going about our business in Afghanistan and how the Israelis are doing it in Gaza. I'm making no comment on the morality of either campaign, merely pointing out Phil was not talking "Absolute load of bollocks" but made a very fair comparison IMO

If you want to be a "we" that includes the incapable yanks that please do  ;-)  I think the British forces, from what I've seen in Afghanistan would not launch a 10 day terror campain on say Kabul's residential areas.  If they did I'd be as disgusted as I am today.

And sorry I should have said "absolute load of bollocks imo", it's my view rather than fact, no offence Phil.

Could the Trust have this rather interesting topic on the next agenda?

And yeah from time to time I've been known to speak to the TV, only on highly emotional issues, like when Family Ties got pulled and Shaun from Eastenders casually climbed out the icey lake, without shivering.

[Ironside]

That's because you seem to be permanently angry.

I worry for you.  Seriously.  Could be bad for your health.  (By the way...do you have a Wikipedia page?)

I'm not angry, people just talk a lot of shit and I feel it's my duty to point that out sometimes.

This me btw:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Ironside,_1st_Baron_Ironside

not

[Ironside]

If you want to be a "we" that includes the incapable yanks that please do  ;-)  I think the British forces, from what I've seen in Afghanistan would not launch a 10 day terror campain on say Kabul's residential areas.  If they did I'd be as disgusted as I am today.

And sorry I should have said "absolute load of bollocks imo", it's my view rather than fact, no offence Phil.

Could the Trust have this rather interesting topic on the next agenda?

And yeah from time to time I've been known to speak to the TV, only on highly emotional issues, like when Family Ties got pulled and Shaun from Eastenders casually climbed out the icey lake, without shivering.

For fuck's sake!

The Israeli's are NOT carrying out a fucking TERROR campaign.

Honestly, some people seem to think that eveything's fucking terror since Sept 11th.

Get a fucking grip!

 

now i'm slightly angy...

[Don Rogers Shop]

By the way the so called innocent civilians are the ones who elected this terrorist group to run their country are they not

[dell boy]

For fuck's sake!

The Israeli's are NOT carrying out a fucking TERROR campaign.

Honestly, some people seem to think that eveything's fucking terror since Sept 11th.

Get a fucking grip!

 

now i'm slightly angy...

The whole situation in the middle east could be sorted out?

Most countries surrounding Israel do not want further conflict, take out of the equation the fucking USA funding to Israel and both sides will have to come to the table on level playing fields.

Until the evil of the world goes away then the war will go on.

[janaage]

By the way the so called innocent civilians are the ones who elected this terrorist group to run their country are they not

Yes that's right the two and 3 year olds are responsible for all of this, they deserve everything they get, well said DRS!!!!  Kill more of these terrorist electing toddlers!!!!!!

[Lumps]

Britain controlled Palestine and it was felt before and after WWII that the persecuted Jews from Europe should be allowed to settle there (Remember that Palestine has never been an independent Country) There was already a large Jewish community living there, as there had been for centuries.
Britain, initially, wanted to retain control but the jewish population wanted self rule and waged a guerilla war against us which we decided was not worth the hassle. At which point we gave the UN the problem and fucked off.

Why should the Palestinians get 'dibs' on the land Bennet?

Interesting use of language there. Jewish people fighting for a homeland, and planting bombs and carrying out political assassination to acheive it are undertaking a guerilla war. I take it you'd use the same terminology for the likes of Hamas today? Or are they terrorists? If so do give me an idea of how exactly you make the differentiation?

[Don Rogers Shop]

Grow up jan did i say that? You go on about your right to argue points on a forum then behave like a childish tit

Yes that's right the two and 3 year olds are responsible for all of this, they deserve everything they get, well said DRS!!!!  Kill more of these terrorist electing toddlers!!!!!!

Yes that's right the two and 3 year olds are responsible for all of this, they deserve everything they get, well said DRS!!!!  Kill more of these terrorist electing toddlers!!!!!!

[Don Rogers Shop]

Of course the kids are the innocent in this but you know fully well what my point was