Israel, getting away with it again...

[herthab]

they don't have f 16's, if they want to fight for land they should dish out the land and weapons eqaully and let both sides go for it

Name one conflict that has been fought like that. The strong usually win. I say usually because when Israel was attacked by virtually the whole of the arab world, who were much stronger militarily, the Israelis defended their new Homeland and actually gained land.

It's like fucking Grounhog Day with you Bennett, I'm sure we've had this debate before!

Let's just agree to disagree.

[axs]

No, one of you is wrong and I want to know who it is.

[dell boy]

It's very hard for the Israelis to lose when Big Brother America supplies them with all the ammo they need. Even though publicly America is now trying to show itself as a peacemaker between Arabs and Jews, when the chips are down they will always back Israel.

[jonny72]

The problem I have with Israel is that they claim their actions are justified and are those of a modern, democratic, Western style government. Which is complete and utter bollocks, they should be condemned as terrorists and a rogue state the same as Palestine is (though Palestine isn't actually a country).

Anyone who thinks Israel are squeaky clean should try reading up on things and the history of the region. Again, I'm not saying they are worse that Palestine - they are as bad as each other.

Its the West that has caused the shit between Israel and Palestine, yet when it comes to sorting it out we turn a blind eye and ignore it and the only reason Israel is so strong is the massive support they get from the USA.

Still, the only thing that will stop the trouble is the same thing that stopped it in Northern Ireland - ordinary people getting sick of all the violence and killing, saying enough is enough and demanding peace. Unfortunately I think they are still a very long way away from that.

[billy the fish]

the only winners are the AMERICAN'S who sell the weapons ,also for other countries to see what they are buying ,before they buy.its a war no one will win

[dell boy]

Johnny, one of the main reasons the British government and the Irish (IRA) finally started to talk to each other, was the lack of funding coming in from America for the IRA.
New York was a major finance house for IRA terrorism in Britain.
It was only when America was hit by terrorism and their own people were killed on their own doorsteps, they realised they were also part of the real world as well and supporting terrorism wasn't as glamourous as there forefathers told them.

It's the same with Palestine, until the yanks keep out of it, nothing will ever be resolved.

[leefer]

No one has said Israel are squeky clean far from it...and without the support of the USA they wouldve been wiped out years ago....none of the middle eastern countrys like Israel so its only the threat from the US stopping them attacking Israel.....and as i said the Jews recent history is riddled with horror,they really believe the world forgot about them during the holocaust,so Lucien that dosnt justify there agression but for me it sort of helps me understand there plight.....lets not forget if ime not mistaken Hamas called off the truce last week...and promply started lobbing rockets into Israeli positions....the Arabs wont win there war with Israel so why dont they try abit harder to broker a better deal for there people...instead of antagonising an Israel just waiting for an excuse to use force.

[Bushey Boy]

What I want to know is which cheese is more popular in Israil? cheddar or edam?

[THE FLASH]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7800985.stm

I wonder how long they will continue to get away with their barbaric opression of the Palestinians? It makes me sick. Nothing will get done though will it? Boooo
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We stood by and watched it all happen in Yugoslavia...and that was mainland europe.

No oil or political gain there of course.

Yanks have a huge interest in Israel.

Mind you we (Brits) help set the fucking place up so we are partly to blame i suppose.

[THE FLASH]

What I want to know is which cheese is more popular in Israil? cheddar or edam?

cheeses of Nazareth!

[leefer]

I should imagine any hard cheese...soft cheeses are not tolerated,the palestinians just want a bigger slice of it......whatever the cheese is.

Mine is double Gloster with chives.

[leefer]

That was good Flash!

[Ironside]

No one has said Israel are squeky clean far from it...and without the support of the USA they wouldve been wiped out years ago....none of the middle eastern countrys like Israel so its only the threat from the US stopping them attacking Israel.....and as i said the Jews recent history is riddled with horror,they really believe the world forgot about them during the holocaust,so Lucien that dosnt justify there agression but for me it sort of helps me understand there plight.....lets not forget if ime not mistaken Hamas called off the truce last week...and promply started lobbing rockets into Israeli positions....the Arabs wont win there war with Israel so why dont they try abit harder to broker a better deal for there people...instead of antagonising an Israel just waiting for an excuse to use force.

The truce had consistently been broken by the Palestinians and they were targetting civilian positions as well as military.

I haven'y got a scooby how to solve the situation out there, the Muslims hate the Jews and vice-versa and there has to be an international solution because otherwise, they'll just end up murdering each other until the last man standing, if left to solve it themsleves.

The thing that pissed me off about this thread is the fact that Lucien when straight in with the BBC reference painting the Israeli's as the evil wrong doers and the poor little Palestinians as victims.  They consistently take this editorial line and in doing so, the never provide the audience with any balance to the view of the whole situation.  They always link the US backing to Israel and the sales of arms but they never tell you who's selling the Palestinians weapons, for example.

[leefer]

Ive got a question for you Ironside...its a tough one for you though.

[Ironside]

Knock yourself out Leefer...