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« Reply #51330 on: Sunday, March 5, 2023, 15:01:15 »

As I posted on Twitter earlier

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What's Sandro's brief?

Does he have to recruit u24 or is that his decision?

Does he get guided for which positions to recruit for, or does he decide himself?

Does he have a miniscule per-player wage, or is it competitive

Does he gets final decision on signings or the manager

January window was crap. Are we in a cash flow crisis?

It's Sandro the reason for slow signings and the lack of assistant manager?

I am not saying Sandro is the man that should be in charge. Not at all.

But it looks like a collective dropping of the bollock club wide.
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I’m not saying it’s all entirely Ralph’s fault but he is the common denominator. He’s overseen an absolutely shambolic football side of the club this season, its core business and the buck should stop with him. Last season we started from scratch yet were far more organised and competitive and that’s a damning indictment.

There’s absolutely nothing in his history or what he’s said that says he is remotely qualified for the job, even his Wigan stint was just a favour from a mate. Massive questions remain about how he got the job, did he just blag it or was it something more sinister?

Then there’s the PR disaster, fobbing us off about the Lindsey appointment and the promotion aim disaster where he basically admitted it didn’t matter to him and caused the club to go into damage limitation mode.

Either intentionally or due to incompetence he’s clearly a massive hindrance to success on the pitch.
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« Reply #51331 on: Sunday, March 5, 2023, 15:29:43 »

As I posted on Twitter earlier

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What's Sandro's brief?

Does he have to recruit u24 or is that his decision?

Does he get guided for which positions to recruit for, or does he decide himself?

Does he have a miniscule per-player wage, or is it competitive

Does he gets final decision on signings or the manager

January window was crap. Are we in a cash flow crisis?

It's Sandro the reason for slow signings and the lack of assistant manager?

I am not saying Sandro is the man that should be in charge. Not at all.

But it looks like a collective dropping of the bollock club wide.
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According to Scott Lindsey he had final say so he shares a lot of the blame for the summer.

January was a fucking shit show though.
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« Reply #51332 on: Sunday, March 5, 2023, 15:51:01 »

Niavity at its worst letting the main centre half leave without securing a replacement
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« Reply #51333 on: Sunday, March 5, 2023, 16:55:42 »

Niavity at its worst letting the main centre half leave without securing a replacement

Don't. Some are still convinced FBT was the replacement.

But yeah, the whole Spurs CB admin fuck up was beyond a joke.
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« Reply #51334 on: Sunday, March 5, 2023, 17:57:51 »

"admin fuck up"

I simply don't believe it was. They had a whole day to register him, minimum.

something in the negotiations wasn't ready in time. no way did we simply cock it up by sending it too late
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« Reply #51335 on: Sunday, March 5, 2023, 18:11:30 »

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m not saying it’s all entirely Ralph’s fault but he is the common denominator. He’s overseen an absolutely shambolic football side of the club this season

But so are Clem, Angus, xavi, and god knows who else (who may or may not be directors) constants.

My point is there's no point replacing him unless you understand and fix the underlying issues. Otherwise you just do the same thing with the next Sandro.

Did we effectively 'outsource ' the football recruiting to a third party with a budget and an overarching brief? 

What's the football clubs definition of success here?

fwiw I've no idea how the hell someone who has done a bit of work at Wigan got to be sporting director. 

But I don't *know* if he's been dealt an impossible hand and exactly what the recruitment process is.

what I do know is a languishing u23 div 4  team is only going to go one way with part of the fan base, myself included eventually.
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What happened to these big changes Whelan hinted at
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« Reply #51336 on: Sunday, March 5, 2023, 18:11:49 »

I think it's more than fair to place some blame at the footsteps of the most senior person in charge of recruitment when it is clear, to me, that the recruitment has been an abject failure against a stated aim of promotion this season.  It's also fair to question his level of expertise in a public facing role when his CV does not exactly screem Recruit Me.  I would not be surprised if he knows Chris Kiely from the horse racing and that's how he got the gig.  no evidence to support that, just a hunch based on a complete lack of anything else that stands out as to why the club would have appointed him.

On the recruitment front.  There have been some "successes", but even those are largely development players who we should not be expecting to be our first picks - Wakeling, Clayton and Hutton being the obvious examples.  All are very inexperienced and would ideally be introduced into a team with more experience around it, playing half the games maybe, coming on as sub to bolster that experience.

Instead we ripped apart the team from last season, which itself was not quite good enough.

The only two signings that stand out to me as being beyond his reach are Austin (Clem's finger prints are all over that one, thank god) and George, who seems a Morris signing to me.

We've recruited a back four who have barely played the professional game in a Division known for having it's fair share of bullies.  This weekend everyone was going on about our defensive injuries, but we had our first choice RB, CB & LB on the pitch (Tomlinson would be the first choice in the long term I think).  The midfield has zero experience at football league level - Khan is now seen as a beacon of hope - he started the season in an out, because he is not consistent.

Last time I checked we were outside the play offs - which makes this one of the worst seasons (at this point) in our history with a four division system.  There is no way of sugar coating that.

All of that is more frustrating because we do seem to have done a really good job at getting the financials in a good place.
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« Reply #51337 on: Sunday, March 5, 2023, 18:26:44 »

What's the football clubs definition of success here?

Our football club? Not languishing outside the play offs in League Two consistently contending close to our lowest ever finish, that is for damn sure.



What happened to these big changes Whelan hinted at

Also wondering and worried about this.
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« Reply #51338 on: Sunday, March 5, 2023, 18:31:11 »

I'm yet to be convinced Morris is happy in the job after watching his interviews.
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« Reply #51339 on: Sunday, March 5, 2023, 19:19:53 »

I'm yet to be convinced Morris is happy in the job after watching his interviews.
I didn't take that from his interview at all...
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« Reply #51340 on: Sunday, March 5, 2023, 19:22:00 »

I would not be surprised if he knows Chris Kiely from the horse racing and that's how he got the gig.  no evidence to support that, just a hunch based on a complete lack of anything else that stands out as to why the club would have appointed him.

So what is Kiely's role. Is it his company who is apponted by the club to run the data side? Its all a bit opaque to me.

If so, even then somebody must have OK'd Sandro's appointment.

Our football club? Not languishing outside the play offs in League Two consistently contending close to our lowest ever finish, that is for damn sure.

That's the fan view. Hopefully the club hierarchy are aligned and things are being put in place to address it. I kind of thought that's what Whelan was talking about
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« Reply #51341 on: Sunday, March 5, 2023, 19:42:31 »

I wouldn't necessarily sack SdM if it was down to me. But I think his role would be much less a primary and public one. He's been a PR nightmare and considering he's worked in that background is piss poor on him.

If anything, his role should probably be complementary and assisting in recruitment. It definitely shouldn't be Head of Recruitment/Technical Director. it's like giving the Head of HR role to an Admin Assistant/Data Processor. Maybe his role should be something like  Chief Technical Scout but the way things appear to have been presented and again as it appears that the club is operating in some form of 'skeleton' backroom staff, it just seems like SdM is the main guy when it comes to recruiting.

I genuinely hope that the Brand deal goes through, even if loaning him doesn't sit right with me personally, and that Morris and he can really make a fist of their own targets and largely bypass SdM. That's not to say that SdM won't have his uses but I'd rather him appear as a more minor sum of the parts than one of the more major ones.

It's common sense really isn't it? Use his as a resource to lean on his data WHEN needed. I don't think it/he should be ultimately be relied upon or be directed as the person TO rely upon.

My nagging fear though is that the Ed Brand deal will never officially go through (anything less than 10 games of the season and it'll become a bit of a joke pointless to announce him) and that will not sit well with an already hands-tied-behind-his-back Jody Morris, prompting him to exit at the end of the season. I don't think we've really ever seen many clubs play hardball with the person they've employed to head up the management team in not allowing them the people in they've initially promised.

I'm sure in most cases it's a matter of 'We've got our manager of choice and so they settle in well, let's ensure they can bring in the people they want to work with'. It does beg a question, with possibly some other managers who were interested in the job if this was a stumbling block? I'll use Chris Hughton as an example. It seemed like he wanted to bring in several of his own staff - again, not an uncommon theme in many a business structure, yet it appeared the club wouldn't allow this so Hughton said, thanks but no thanks.

Some things imo, you just don't do on the cheap unless you want a backlash at some point. Senior Management at any industry is just one you don't fuck about with. Especially when they come with an experienced team. Essentially, you're not recruiting for just one person, you're recruiting for a whole team of professionals, whether that be 2, 3, 4, 5 or more. This has been poor from STFC on a professional level and even when they've gone down the more correct route, it appears they've still tried to trim of some of the important bits.

I get that they are trying to bring about more sustainability and profitability but rally they are in the wrong business. Ask anyone who ever bought a boat if they never spent more on it than it was actually worth, just to keep it in the water...football clubs are much the same.

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In transfer news, it does seem the Mariappa deal has drifted and Blewitt seems to be somewhat of a contingency/utility. In all reality though, he could probably be an ideal replacement/upgrade on Ian. That still would leave Town an out and out CB short. I'm wondering if the Andre Wisdom rumours are still valid and Morris can convince him to sign on for the rest of the season?  Hmmm
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« Reply #51342 on: Sunday, March 5, 2023, 19:46:19 »

Sandro and Kiely have been acquaintances for at least a decade. He looks to have deleted his twitter now but there were posts tagging Kiely 10+ years ago.


Of course, Kiely doesnt officially have anything to do with the club, right?
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« Reply #51343 on: Sunday, March 5, 2023, 20:41:48 »

Making Sandro a scapegoat for the January window may be unfair - do any of us know where his role ends and that of other starts?
He may have identified players in January and others (Angus?) have handled the contract negotiations and admin - in which case it may be these individuals who didn’t (for example) get the Tottenham centre half deal done.
To paraphrase what someone said earlier in the thread - sacking Sandro may not solve anything, other than placating  the (metaphorical) desire of some of the fan base for him to be gone.
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« Reply #51344 on: Sunday, March 5, 2023, 20:48:48 »

Making Sandro a scapegoat for the January window may be unfair - do any of us know where his role ends and that of other starts?
He may have identified players in January and others (Angus?) have handled the contract negotiations and admin - in which case it may be these individuals who didn’t (for example) get the Tottenham centre half deal done.
To paraphrase what someone said earlier in the thread - sacking Sandro may not solve anything, other than placating  the (metaphorical) desire of some of the fan base for him to be gone.

….and was it Sandro who decided to let MacDonald go for free?
We would have basically agreed to rip up his contract. I’d have thought that would have to go through Clem.

Whilst, I think there are genuine question that can and should be asked, he’s become a bit of scape goat.

On Saturday we were losing and it was ‘Sandro out’ get a draw and it’s ‘Jody Morris’ Red n White Army’
So they are Sandro’s players when we are losing and the Managers plays when we are winning anyway…
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