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Title: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: News Monkey on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 06:00:06
McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
           
           



  SWINDON Town captain Alan McCormack has praised Miles Storey for standing up to be counted in Monday’s play-off penalty shootout against Brentford, insisting the teenager will experience enough celebrations in his career to outweigh the pain of defeat at Griffin Park.

           

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Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: carbonwhite on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 17:21:45
Very disappointed with the "senior" players that maybe should have offered to step up an take that spot kick, fair play to the lad though im sure he will grow as a player because of this.


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 19:19:48
Players miss penalties. So what. Anyone who blames Storey for that is a complete bellend.

Stephen Darby did alright last time, if they want to take em then you got to let em.


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 19:30:34
At what age do managers stop wrapping younger players in cotton wool?

Penalties are missed by footballers old and young. It happens.


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: No Longer Posh Red on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 19:32:59
We were saying on the way back to the station that it was a surprise that Alan Mac didn't take one.

But to be fair if you aren't confident (which he has said was the case), then you really shouldn't be taking one.


From what I have seen on twitter, a few mongs aside, Miles has been quite rightly getting a lot of positive messages from the fans.


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 19:40:15
We were saying on the way back to the station that it was a surprise that Alan Mac didn't take one.

But to be fair if you aren't confident (which he has said was the case), then you really shouldn't be taking one.


I was worried Alan might take one when he was dithering over the coin toss - you could see all the confidence had drained out of him at the mere thought of penalties.  (by no means having a go at him, just mean he did the right thing not taking one)


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 20:23:25
I was worried Alan might take one when he was dithering over the coin toss - you could see all the confidence had drained out of him at the mere thought of penalties.  (by no means having a go at him, just mean he did the right thing not taking one)

He was dithering because the coin toss didn't let a team chose which end the penalties were taken at and he wanted to check if this was the case.


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 20:29:37
He was dithering because the coin toss didn't let a team chose which end the penalties were taken at and he wanted to check if this was the case.

fair dos, I was unaware.


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: joteddyred on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 21:34:09
He was dithering because the coin toss didn't let a team chose which end the penalties were taken at and he wanted to check if this was the case.

I saw that when I watched the match back.  Is it usual for the decision to be made in advance about which end the penalties are taken?  I thought it was part of the coin toss?


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 21:54:46
I saw that when I watched the match back.  Is it usual for the decision to be made in advance about which end the penalties are taken?  I thought it was part of the coin toss?

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/footballdevelopment/refereeing/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2012_e.pdf

nope

Quote

54 PROCEDURES TO DETERMINE THE WINNER OF A MATCH OR HOME-AND-AWAY

Kicks from the penalty mark
Procedure
•The referee chooses the goal at which the kicks will be taken
• The referee tosses a coin and the team whose captain wins the toss decides whether to take the first or the second kick
• The referee keeps a record of the kicks being taken
• Subject to the conditions explained below, both teams take five kicks
• The kicks are taken alternately by the teams
• If, before both teams have taken five kicks, one has scored more goals than the other could score, even if it were to complete its five kicks, no more kicks are taken
• If, after both teams have taken fi ve kicks, both have scored the same number of goals, or have not scored any goals, kicks continue to be taken in the same order until one team has scored a goal more than the other from the same number of kicks
• A goalkeeper who is injured while kicks are being taken from the penalty mark and is unable to continue as goalkeeper may be replaced by a named substitute provided his team has not used the maximum number of substitutes permitted under the competition rules
•With the exception of the foregoing case, only players who are on the field of play at the end of the match, which includes extra time where appropriate, are eligible to take kicks from the penalty mark


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 21:57:39
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/footballdevelopment/refereeing/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2012_e.pdf

nope


Dude! You looked that up? Take a step back!

;)


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 21:59:02
Dude! You looked that up? Take a step back!

;)

I have time on my hands, Sir Alan has already fired the apprentice, what else am I gonna do. I couldn't sleep not knowing.


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: LucienSanchez on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 22:01:46
 so the ref gave them that advantage too...


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 22:03:42
so the ref gave them that advantage too...

Yup. Tough one really, the sun was going down. Do you let the keepers have the sun in their eyes or the attackers?


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: [email protected] on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 22:50:22
Refs will almost always choose the end where the home fans are.  If both ends were equally busy, I would be tempted go to the away end on the basis of 3 sides of fans v 1, so going the the away end evens things up a little (and is a little bit controversial to boot)


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 22:51:44
 A goalkeeper who is injured while kicks are being taken from the penalty mark and is unable to continue as goalkeeper may be replaced by a named substitute provided his team has not used the maximum number of substitutes permitted under the competition rules
•With the exception of the foregoing case, only players who are on the field of play at the end of the match, which includes extra time where appropriate, are eligible to take kicks from the penalty mark


Has this ever happened?


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 22:59:51
The penalty shoot out question I've always had is; what happens if one team is down to 10 players due to a sending off and after 10 penalties there still isn't a winner? Do they have to forego a penalty? Do both teams start afresh?

Think it happened in an Arsenal game but I'm still none the wiser what the rule book says.


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 23:01:45
You carry on as normal. So the 11th player takes a penalty against any of the 10 on the other team.


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: [email protected] on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 23:03:09
The penalty shoot out question I've always had is; what happens if one team is down to 10 players due to a sending off and after 10 penalties there still isn't a winner? Do they have to forego a penalty? Do both teams start afresh?

Think it happened in an Arsenal game but I'm still none the wiser what the rule book says.

The team with 11 have to nominate a player who will not take one.  He then has to leave the pitch as only players who finished the match and are entitled to take a penalty are allowed there, and they have to stay in the centre circle.

After 10 penalties each, you go around again in the same order until you have a winner.


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 23:03:12
You carry on as normal. So the 11th player takes a penalty against any of the 10 on the other team.

And can you get sent off after the final whistle? If so, if you have a really cack penalty taker it makes perfect sense for them to quickly go and call the ref a cunt.


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 23:04:06
I haven't a clue, deleting my comment will just look stupid now. Learn something new everyday.


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 23:04:36
The team with 11 have to nominate a player who will not take one.  He then has to leave the pitch as only players who finished the match and are entitled to take a penalty are allowed there, and they have to stay in the centre circle.

After 10 penalties each, you go around again in the same order until you have a winner.
Why the same order?


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: [email protected] on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 23:04:46
And can you get sent off after the final whistle? If so, if you have a really cack penalty taker it makes perfect sense for them to quickly go and call the ref a cunt.

Yes, you can get sent off after the final whistle (and before it come to that)


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 23:07:12
Can a player who is not part of the matchday squad but has travelled up to a game be sent off?


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: [email protected] on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 23:07:44
Why the same order?

Dunno! Never bothered to ask.  I guess it is so there is no confusion as to who has taken one, after all number 7 shouldn't be able to take 3 penalties before number 9 has taken his first.

Would be interested to find out what the longest shoot out was, but can't be arsed to look!


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 23:08:12
The team with 11 have to nominate a player who will not take one.  He then has to leave the pitch as only players who finished the match and are entitled to take a penalty are allowed there, and they have to stay in the centre circle.

After 10 penalties each, you go around again in the same order until you have a winner.

Did this happen in the Brentford game then, as Byrne had been sent off? I didn't see a Brentford player being banished to the touchline...


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: [email protected] on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 23:10:43
Can a player who is not part of the matchday squad but has travelled up to a game be sent off?

Not sent off, but you can be reported and disciplined in the same manner as if you were playing.  So if you have ever called the ref a cunt and thought that not playing at the time you could get away with it...!


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: [email protected] on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 23:14:12
Did this happen in the Brentford game then, as Byrne had been sent off? I didn't see a Brentford player being banished to the touchline...

I wasn't there so can't say.  It SHOULD of happened, and although the ref should have been told who was chosen to be left out, it is he responsibility of the assistant who isn't monitoring the goal line to enforce it.


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 23:15:47
I wasn't there so can't say.  It SHOULD of happened, and although the ref should have been told who was chosen to be left out, it is he responsibility of the assistant who isn't monitoring the goal line to enforce it.

Although I presume if you nominate your keeper, he can still stay on the pitch as he's quite clearly still involved in the penalty shoot out? Or is there some daft rule that you can't nominate him?


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 23:18:49
The game should be replayed, this isn't on.


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 23:19:40
The game should be replayed, this isn't on.

Worth a go...


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: [email protected] on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 23:20:33
Although I presume if you nominate your keeper, he can still stay on the pitch as he's quite clearly still involved in the penalty shoot out? Or is there some daft rule that you can't nominate him?


No, you can nominate your keeper not to take one, but yes he does get to stay on the pitch.  The minimum requirement is 7 players, one of which must be a keeper.  If you get 4 players sent off the match is abandoned.  Something that was attempted by one team who had 3 off who deliberately attempted to get a 4th player sent off thinking it would force a re-match (it didn't).


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 23:22:46
What happens if more than 1 match official is taken ill/injured during the game. If one does then the 4th official fills in, but 2?


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: [email protected] on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 23:24:31
Not having payed attention to these details on Monday, IF the video showed that a player didn't leave the pitch and the nominated "non taker" wasn't the keeper, all that would happen is the ref would get a bolocking.  Something he should get anyway IMHO!


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 23:27:07
Not having payed attention to these details on Monday, IF the video showed that a player didn't leave the pitch and the nominated "non taker" wasn't the keeper, all that would happen is the ref would get a bolocking.  Something he should get anyway IMHO!

Curses, foiled again!


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 23:28:19
Is there anyone sad enough to email the FA regarding this matter?


Title: Re: Adver News: McCormack backs Storey to bounce back from penalty pain
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 23:35:12
Well, I don't want to be the one to nominate DV but...