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We were saying on the way back to the station that it was a surprise that Alan Mac didn't take one.

But to be fair if you aren't confident (which he has said was the case), then you really shouldn't be taking one.

I was worried Alan might take one when he was dithering over the coin toss - you could see all the confidence had drained out of him at the mere thought of penalties.  (by no means having a go at him, just mean he did the right thing not taking one)

He was dithering because the coin toss didn't let a team chose which end the penalties were taken at and he wanted to check if this was the case.

He was dithering because the coin toss didn't let a team chose which end the penalties were taken at and he wanted to check if this was the case.

I saw that when I watched the match back.  Is it usual for the decision to be made in advance about which end the penalties are taken?  I thought it was part of the coin toss?

54 PROCEDURES TO DETERMINE THE WINNER OF A MATCH OR HOME-AND-AWAY

Kicks from the penalty mark
Procedure
•The referee chooses the goal at which the kicks will be taken
• The referee tosses a coin and the team whose captain wins the toss decides whether to take the first or the second kick
• The referee keeps a record of the kicks being taken
• Subject to the conditions explained below, both teams take five kicks
• The kicks are taken alternately by the teams
• If, before both teams have taken five kicks, one has scored more goals than the other could score, even if it were to complete its five kicks, no more kicks are taken
• If, after both teams have taken fi ve kicks, both have scored the same number of goals, or have not scored any goals, kicks continue to be taken in the same order until one team has scored a goal more than the other from the same number of kicks
• A goalkeeper who is injured while kicks are being taken from the penalty mark and is unable to continue as goalkeeper may be replaced by a named substitute provided his team has not used the maximum number of substitutes permitted under the competition rules
•With the exception of the foregoing case, only players who are on the field of play at the end of the match, which includes extra time where appropriate, are eligible to take kicks from the penalty mark

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/footballdevelopment/refereeing/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2012_e.pdf

nope

Dude! You looked that up? Take a step back!

;)

so the ref gave them that advantage too...

The penalty shoot out question I've always had is; what happens if one team is down to 10 players due to a sending off and after 10 penalties there still isn't a winner? Do they have to forego a penalty? Do both teams start afresh?

Think it happened in an Arsenal game but I'm still none the wiser what the rule book says.

You carry on as normal. So the 11th player takes a penalty against any of the 10 on the other team.

The team with 11 have to nominate a player who will not take one.  He then has to leave the pitch as only players who finished the match and are entitled to take a penalty are allowed there, and they have to stay in the centre circle.

After 10 penalties each, you go around again in the same order until you have a winner.

And can you get sent off after the final whistle? If so, if you have a really cack penalty taker it makes perfect sense for them to quickly go and call the ref a cunt.

Why the same order?

The team with 11 have to nominate a player who will not take one.  He then has to leave the pitch as only players who finished the match and are entitled to take a penalty are allowed there, and they have to stay in the centre circle.

After 10 penalties each, you go around again in the same order until you have a winner.

Can a player who is not part of the matchday squad but has travelled up to a game be sent off?

Did this happen in the Brentford game then, as Byrne had been sent off? I didn't see a Brentford player being banished to the touchline...

I wasn't there so can't say.  It SHOULD of happened, and although the ref should have been told who was chosen to be left out, it is he responsibility of the assistant who isn't monitoring the goal line to enforce it.

The game should be replayed, this isn't on.

Although I presume if you nominate your keeper, he can still stay on the pitch as he's quite clearly still involved in the penalty shoot out? Or is there some daft rule that you can't nominate him?

Not having payed attention to these details on Monday, IF the video showed that a player didn't leave the pitch and the nominated "non taker" wasn't the keeper, all that would happen is the ref would get a bolocking.  Something he should get anyway IMHO!