New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks

[Robinz]

Rob
Understand your concerns however surely the club is a testimony of Morfuni achievements to date.
Simple terms in my opinion ithe club would not exist in its present form.
Yes Morfuni is an opportunist and was in the right place at the right time.
But he must have big balls to take on STFC when he did.
I say good luck to his success because if he is successful surely the club should be as well 😉

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

How do you quantify success off the pitch? We could well get promoted despite naivety in the boardroom.

[Bob's Orange]

The old brain was whirring in the gym about the interview and whilst I'm erring on the side of Clem being a good egg, I can't help wondering just what is in it for certain characters in the club. Yes Clem gave his side of the story but some of it just doesn't ring true. And I'm sorry for going over old ground again and again

Zav Austin - I'm pretty sure Clem actually said in the interview he was no longer vice-chairman or a director and that he just comes to the club as a regular guest of Clem's. Without Zav, he wouldn't be in the situation as club chairman - is that really true?

Hart - he was the Strength and Conditioning coach and did some great work with Harry Mckirdy, but like Zav, also has a past. He's now working with Crawley but continues to be around in the background - again there must be a proper reason he's there? Don't think Sonny Hart is like Curran's son, as apparently he's pretty good.

Chris Kiely - Was willing to give Clem money for shares to help pay off the Debenture but seemingly wants no input in the club or anything out of it? I don't think Kiely is particularly close to Clem, surely he wouldn't just hand over a wad of money without wanting anything in return.

Again - i'm not convinced Clem is nefarious, but something just doesn't sit right about these guys who are there in the background of the club, seemingly for no return. I don't doubt that Kiely is making a good amount on the loan to Clem, and I'm surprised he never mentioned about Kiely's data business, that I believe we use. As for Hart and Zav Austin - i'm really not sure.  

[Robinz]

You could easily ask Yeovil or Bury or Worcester RFC that and possibly they could give you a better answer than I can

[ChalkyWhiteIsGod]

I am ian and so is my wite

He's a fucking drongo that Ian.

[ThreeDrawsMentality]

The old brain was whirring in the gym about the interview and whilst I'm erring on the side of Clem being a good egg, I can't help wondering just what is in it for certain characters in the club. Yes Clem gave his side of the story but some of it just doesn't ring true. And I'm sorry for going over old ground again and again

Zav Austin - I'm pretty sure Clem actually said in the interview he was no longer vice-chairman or a director and that he just comes to the club as a regular guest of Clem's. Without Zav, he wouldn't be in the situation as club chairman - is that really true?

Hart - he was the Strength and Conditioning coach and did some great work with Harry Mckirdy, but like Zav, also has a past. He's now working with Crawley but continues to be around in the background - again there must be a proper reason he's there? Don't think Sonny Hart is like Curran's son, as apparently he's pretty good.

Chris Kiely - Was willing to give Clem money for shares to help pay off the Debenture but seemingly wants no input in the club or anything out of it? I don't think Kiely is particularly close to Clem, surely he wouldn't just hand over a wad of money without wanting anything in return.

Again - i'm not convinced Clem is nefarious, but something just doesn't sit right about these guys who are there in the background of the club, seemingly for no return. I don't doubt that Kiely is making a good amount on the loan to Clem, and I'm surprised he never mentioned about Kiely's data business, that I believe we use. As for Hart and Zav Austin - i'm really not sure.  

Noticed last night that Clem very nearly referred to Kiely as CK which is apparently how his friends greet him.

The time of the loan last year was right in the midst of Kiely's Brentford style project kicking off. As he was given the platform to do so by Clem, can see why he was willing to loan funds if they were available to him at the time.

[ChalkyWhiteIsGod]

Haha. That’s not true in the slightest

Definitely isn't.

[JoeMezz]

The old brain was whirring in the gym about the interview and whilst I'm erring on the side of Clem being a good egg, I can't help wondering just what is in it for certain characters in the club. Yes Clem gave his side of the story but some of it just doesn't ring true. And I'm sorry for going over old ground again and again

Zav Austin - I'm pretty sure Clem actually said in the interview he was no longer vice-chairman or a director and that he just comes to the club as a regular guest of Clem's. Without Zav, he wouldn't be in the situation as club chairman - is that really true? Yes as it was Zav (allegedly) who told Clem about the loop-hole for Clem to be able to buy before Able I believe.

Hart - he was the Strength and Conditioning coach and did some great work with Harry Mckirdy, but like Zav, also has a past. He's now working with Crawley but continues to be around in the background - again there must be a proper reason he's there? Don't think Sonny Hart is like Curran's son, as apparently he's pretty good.

Chris Kiely - Was willing to give Clem money for shares to help pay off the Debenture but seemingly wants no input in the club or anything out of it? I don't think Kiely is particularly close to Clem, surely he wouldn't just hand over a wad of money without wanting anything in return. This would be the main concern for me.

Again - i'm not convinced Clem is nefarious, but something just doesn't sit right about these guys who are there in the background of the club, seemingly for no return. I don't doubt that Kiely is making a good amount on the loan to Clem, and I'm surprised he never mentioned about Kiely's data business, that I believe we use. As for Hart and Zav Austin - i'm really not sure.

[horlock07]

The old brain was whirring in the gym about the interview and whilst I'm erring on the side of Clem being a good egg, I can't help wondering just what is in it for certain characters in the club. Yes Clem gave his side of the story but some of it just doesn't ring true. And I'm sorry for going over old ground again and again

Zav Austin - I'm pretty sure Clem actually said in the interview he was no longer vice-chairman or a director and that he just comes to the club as a regular guest of Clem's. Without Zav, he wouldn't be in the situation as club chairman - is that really true?

Hart - he was the Strength and Conditioning coach and did some great work with Harry Mckirdy, but like Zav, also has a past. He's now working with Crawley but continues to be around in the background - again there must be a proper reason he's there? Don't think Sonny Hart is like Curran's son, as apparently he's pretty good.

Chris Kiely - Was willing to give Clem money for shares to help pay off the Debenture but seemingly wants no input in the club or anything out of it? I don't think Kiely is particularly close to Clem, surely he wouldn't just hand over a wad of money without wanting anything in return.

Again - i'm not convinced Clem is nefarious, but something just doesn't sit right about these guys who are there in the background of the club, seemingly for no return. I don't doubt that Kiely is making a good amount on the loan to Clem, and I'm surprised he never mentioned about Kiely's data business, that I believe we use. As for Hart and Zav Austin - i'm really not sure.  

In terms of Austin, since the fuss about Vice Chair and correction, hasn't it always ben the story that he got Clem involved and Clem sees him as mate, Austin gets to act bobby big bollocks on match days etc. Don't think any thing said contradicts that.

Hart I don't know much about, but from a rudimentary google he is part of what appears to be a reasonably successful fitness/training conditioning business. The whole Crawley thing was a nonsense as some seemed genuinely surprised and angry that a consultancy does work for more than one client, does he actually have any day to day role personally with fitness etc at the CG or is it just again he is a mate of Clem''s whose lad is in the yoofs?

Chris Kiely seems a bit of an enigma, its not altogether clear to me where his cash came from (his old man maybe?) has some involvement in racing and 'data' but no idea where he links to Clem? He does seem to have become a bogeyman in some peoples eyes, albeit its not really clear why or how?

Long and short, I suspect if asked, his simple answer would be they are people who I know and have done work with and who I consider to be mates. Yes there may be some dodgy backgrounds there, but who Clem keeps the company of doesn't have a great deal to do with the successful or otherwise running of the club.

[ChalkyWhiteIsGod]

I’m sure that, he wonders what the hell he’s done. I’ve had the opportunity to talk to Clem many times, he comes across as a genuine guy.

What I believe has shocked him, is the constant questioning by ill informed, individuals. This has to having an effect on his health and personal life. At the end of the day, he has achieved success in his homeland. He doesn’t need constant shit from 10k miles away.

Perhaps, there is no story. Have you thought of that.

Last season, I was asked by someone why I didn’t invest in the club, all of the necessary funds to buy and run a club are readily available at short notice. A budget for MF was available without question.

The reason I haven’t done this is simple.  I was and I am still not prepared to accept the constant pressure, questioning and character assassination from supporters.

It’s not fair on the family and friends.

So whilst this is a good

The issue is Clem has brought a lot of this on himself by over promising transparency and then consistently putting his foot in his mouth.

While there is a a small minority of people that are flat out dumb as fuck and would never be happy with anything, you'd get no such treatment assuming you're not besties with former Britains most wanted for starters.

[ChalkyWhiteIsGod]

I personally feel our fanbase won't apply constant questioning and pressure should a good owner come along - that can be you Bathford (Please).

Under Fitton our fanbase seemed really united and I don't remember any fan pressure on them. Post-Black has been a continual cycle of issues and a completely clean slate and start with a Fitton-esque owner would unite the fan base I'd feel. Clem hasn't helped himself recently with the constant story changes and who he associates himself with.

Exactly. The scrutiny might look bad, but look at what we've had to put up with.

Bathford the only way I'd think twice mate if you're good pals with one of these lot and fancy making them a matchday guest.

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/gallery/full-list-uks-most-wanted-8212039

[ChalkyWhiteIsGod]

I think the unity under Fitton actually went back to before then to the unity to get shot of Diamond Mike, Fitton and co just went on to get an easier ride off the back of that, can you imagine the chaos that would ensue here now if one of Clem's associates were to be discovered benefiting personally from the sale of a player they recommended.

I honestly don't know how a large part of our fan base survived the seasons under Wills and Diamond Mike, the days refreshing the internet every 10 minor so to see if we had gone into admin or been taken over, when you compare to the uproar and pumping blood pressure on here nowadays about things its poles apart.

Agree.

It may seem like we're asking a lot but are we? We just don't want a Diamandis or Lee Power type bleeding the fucking thing and have PTSD over it.

When former cocaine bosses and convicted money launderers are hanging around, there is bound to be extra scrutiny and scepticism.

[ChalkyWhiteIsGod]

I really can’t get the Arctic Monkeys out of my head now, thanks.

Lee Powers reign was like a studded leather headlock.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

Chris Kiely Racing has one set of micro accounts registered at CH - just him and Mrs. Nothing brilliant there.

Same set up for Donnington Property Management - dormant company set up in 2019

Sports Brokerage Limited - set up 2020, struck off 2022

Difficult to know from that where any decent wedge could come from.

[Bennett]

From memory CK has a footie data company.
"MPS data" is referenced in an AB question (not answer, club hasn't said it that I know of)
It could be https://mps-data.co.uk/

In other AB notes "Chris Kiely is a consultant and helps with data"