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Not trying to be controversial but I just think that this picture from this weekend's event is pretty wrong

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/adverpics/pride/3601849.Swindon_Pride/

I know that it is politically correct for our children to be bought up in a open and safe environment free of prejudice etc, but something about it just does not sit right with me

The kids dancing?

maybe it was Shelias Wheels?? - They are quite upsetting

but u can save a bunch of fivers

According to HM Treasury and the Department for Trade and Industry 6% of Britain is homosexual.

That means there should be more Gays on this forum than ladies.

Yeah Ben

I dunno mate, perhaps its just me.

They are younger than Jen, and I dont think its right for kids to be involved in that "scene" until they can understand the full implications etc

I don't have a problem with kids being taught that it's just as normal for two men and ladies being together as it is a man and a woman. I don't think you have to go into the implications more than you would for a straight couple. It's not as if you have to suddenly show a 5 year old a gay porno or something.

I was expecting a gay porn effort that DMR used to post up.

Disappointing.

Is that copper a gay?

they are irish dancers whose teacher is openly gay.how do i know?my daughter was there saturday and goes to his classes.all they were doing was putting on a display.

Sorry, but that's not correct is it?  I don't read the Mail, or consider myself an ignorant bigot, but to state homosexuality is normal is wrong.
Let's get away from this PC bullshit and accept the fact that same sex relationships aren't normal in the least. Each to his own and I've not got a problem with gays, but I'm not going to confuse tolerance and acceptance with normality.

 I don't think it is normal for two men and ladies being together...one man and ladies yes.

 Although a recent change to Sharia Law in GB has given women the right not to enter polygamous marriages...which must be a bit of a bummer, and certainly makes conversion to Islam less attractive.

I see what you did there Reg!!

Ok then Normal is a bad word. Replacing it with "Just as acceptable" seems to works.

So what is normal then?

Male and Female relationships. Homosexuality is abnormal. Not trying to get a reaction, just saying it as I see it.

Not much. Being over 6ft 3 or having red hair are not normal.

Im not going to get on my high horse about gays today - Im too tired and Im having to drive a family saloon that is making me cross

  If you consider the word norm in a statistical sense, then the 6% of the population who are gay represent behaviour outside the norm, which by definition would be heterosexual.
 
 I think your change to acceptable fB, is a better term.

My boss at work is gay. I was predjudice etc against homosexuality etc however he changed my complete view on it. The guy is genuinly a nice guy who would do anything for anyone and is a great laugh.

To get back to what Hertha said though, I believe he is in the same boat as me. I have no issue now with gays etc and all that but it is not normal and all that but I believe now in acceptance and would never judge someone or hold it against them now because they are gay etc.

In the adver (paper - not online) it reads "right gay liaison officer Simon Garrett" so it sounds like he is!!  "Poofter eh?"

Homophobe.

Who?  moi?

The "poofter eh?" was a L.o.G. quote.

nor is being 24 and living with your mum.

 :cry:

I think the use of phrases like normal and abnormal can't help but sound judgemental. People might only be thinking in terms of whether stuff is statistically out of the ordinary, but when it comes to this subject if you say "that's not normal" it sounds like "that's wrong".

I think the less we all think about other peoples sex lives, as long as they take place between consenting adults, the better.

I'm sure some of you lot do stuff in bed that I wouldn't want to do, but it's none of my business, and I'm not going to call you

I agree with you 100%. There are too many news items and television programmes that almost infer that it is acceptable to be gay, which is simply wrong

 Where's Birdy these days  :(

How is it unacceptable to be gay?

It is not right

The absolutely stunning Spanish girl I spent saturday evening and Sunday morning made me glad I am not gay!!

 Being gay is just as acceptable as being German.

 Good work BO.

I thought so, definately a Swindon v Man Utd game.

She returns to Madrid early next week and I am going to be in town this weekend for the Swindon v Colchester game so unlikely a repeat performance is likely, which is a shame.

 Foreign birds can unleash some powerful forces..:huglove:...need to be strong.

I know exactly what you mean Reg!

If you count everything that is out of the 'ordinary' none of us would be 'normal'. Blindness, deafness, mental/physical disability, black origin, mixed race, white origin is all out of the ordinary if your blinkered view is that everything you are not is extra-ordinary.

i dont think half the birds youve shagged mr german are acceptable.

what would Jesus have said you philistines?





_{probably something obscure in Aramaic or Greek}

Typical German attitude. Mullets are wrong, Europop is wrong, shell suits are wrong, hairy armpitted women are wrong, shit music is wrong, all of these geman thing are wrong but we are forced to accept them.

wow after mixing this topic with the topic of perfect minnies I have discovered my gay husband has never seen a proper minnie up close!

Thanks guys you have helped me learn more about my friends! 

Shall we gas them all then?

Ah the highly comical racist comments ::)

(now come the comments about having no sense of humour)

Seem to have opened up a can of worms here !

Please dont misinterperet my original post as homophobic.

Hell I have spent enough time in Pink Rooms to demonstrate I am not  :)

Just getting kids of that age involved in something at that level just did not sit right with me.

Fair play to you arriba, if you were comfortable with the situation then its all good

I'll buck the trend, I like Germans - find them honest, humourous people, great company.

:hitler: :yay:

:smiliemaker:

But you find homophobic comments to be acceptable? A bigot is a bigot no matter how you wrap it up

 And a big gut is a big gut no matter how you wrap it up.

I like German Gays with Big Guts.

Swoon

 Must have GSOH or not?

Germans bring out the wurst in people.

On the original point ... I see nothing wrong with any group of people having a celebration, especially when it demonstrates that they care about each other. If children can see people peacefully co-existing and enjoying themselves where's the harm?

As long as there's no fisting or stuff in public  :nonono:

To be fair I'd be more worried if they get Gary Glitter to headline next year's event.

Too right.

Anyway, how did a perfectly innocent word like "gay" come to be taken over to mean homosexual? I've read the wikipedia article which says it all kicked off in the early 20th century, and in the late 19th century the word was associated with promiscuity. Whatever happened to being carefree and happy? Who decides these things?

Gays?

 What's wrong with sodomites?

Monday's child is fair of face.
Tuesday's child is full of grace.
Wednesday's child is full of woe.
Thursday's child has far to go.
Friday's child is loving and giving.
Saturday's child works hard for a living,
But the child who is born on the Sabbath Day
Is bonny and blithe and good and gay.

i don't think there is anything unnatural about homosexuality - after all, how do you define what is natural?

The bible said so.

My mate's brother is gay and I personally have no problem whatsover with them. He's a good laugh to have a beer with.

I suspose you could say it's unnatural because gays can't reproduce. Man and woman were put here so the human race can live on.

 Who put us here Ralphy?

Maybe in Biblical times, certainly not these days.
Man is a second-rate being and does as he is told by the woman who use to serve him. :nod:

I'm not entirely sure Reg.

We're all here for a reason though. I'm not sure what mine is but there you go.

So, where in nature do you find homosexuality?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_animal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_animal)

Everywhere it seems.

Lots of boy swans apparently love boy swans. Lions, monkeys, giraffes, lizards.... they're all at it.  

How would we all feel if the next James Bond was gay?

Apparently 8% would be jumping for joy!!

 No doubt we have an urge to reproduce...I would say stronger in women than in men.

The actor or a major change to the character? The two are fairly different.

You and me baby ain't nothing but mammal so lets do it like they do on the Discovery channel...

What about the next Doctor Who not being a time lord but a Gaylord (the actual character)?

A gay James Bond would just not be right. The character I mean, not the actor.

A gay Doctor Who would be quite bizarre.

It must be true then

Is gay abandon where they have live music at The Pipers Arms?

I'm quite happy to be shot down in flames here but a bloke's dick belongs in one of three places only. In your hand, in your trousers or in a woman. Anywhere else is absolutely wrong. Your anus is built to let things out, not let things in. I don't care if I come across as a homophobe - its wrong.

says who?

So you are against anal sex between males. Are you against being gay? One is not necessarily conducive to the other. Why is it wrong? Because you say so?

Yes, I'm against anal sex between males. I'm also against anal sex between males and females. I'm not sure if that makes me anti gay or what and its just my personal opinion. It may not be politically correct but I don't think sticking your cock up another bloke's arse is the cleverest thing a bloke can do with it.

Unquantifiable anti-gay feelings are often a fearful reaction to ones own same-sex impulses or an attempt to hide doubts in one's own masculinity.

There's been studies and stuff.

Why's it so wrong for Chalkie to say it the way he sees it?

Personally I think more posters on here think the same way,they're just to scared to say it because this forum is so "right on" Thats certainly my expierence in real life anyway.

And no that doesnt mean I agree with him,just that its a pretty common view of things as far as i can see.

It can be pleasurable for both parties so why not. It's been going on for as long as civilisation, it must have something going for it.

It's no more wrong than it is for me to tell him why I think his views are wrong. It is a forum.

I've got to admit I've always been a bit "eeeeewh!" about the idea of anal. But that's not an anti gay thing as it's just a personal reaction to a sexual practice that I don't find attractive.

I just can't work out why some people get all worked up about what other people do sexually. And why they make judgements about all of those peoples lives based on that one narrow element of their lives.

It's got nothing to do with saying his view is wrong, how can it be wrong? It's his opinion. But in order to debate you need 2 sides.

Defending a race, person etc has nothing to do with being "right on", I'm not scared of airing my views, you don't know me, you're hardly going to give me a hard time about a view I have when you would walk past me in the street. It's that I just don't agree that being gay is wrong. Why would so many posters think the same way but are scared to think that way? Looking at the posts there are more anti-gay than pro-gay ones so it would be easier to conform to the former.

I think thats the point I was trying to make,just because you dont agree with him doesnt make him wrong



Perhaps in your case and fair enough,however its my expierence that Working Class Males generally are uncomfortable with homosexuality.Its drummed into us from the School Playground"gay" is one of the first insults we learn,at least it was in my day.Is it right? probably not,but its a fact and I dont think some posters are being honest because they don't want to appear to be bigots.

Although I have to accept that there are loads of working class gay people,which fucks up my arguement a bit.so i''ll pretendthere arent.

 Is it OK for the bird to do it with a strap on?

How can you knock anal sex until you try it, especially with another man?

But being gay or heterosexual is not primarily about wanting to have an intimate physical relationship with someone, is it? I've known people of both sexes that have made me feel excited and want to share as much time with them as I could. Why can't men have the same deep friendships that women enjoy without others thinking it's a bit suss? It doesn't mean you want to penetrate each other. In any case, if a couple want to have sex what they do is their business.

That sounds really homosexual.

No chance of a shag then?

Are you fit?

No, but I do have a yellow t-shirt.

And Fred opened this debate by saying that he did not wish to be controversial!!  It certainly has got that way!  Anyway it must be ok, one of our leading councillors is openly gay I understand, is it just the gays that vote for him!

whats the big deal? if people wanna be gay let them be gay, gay anal sex isnt for me but if others want to do it then let them get on with it, doesnt effect my life at all

It would if they raped you.

my mate likes to lick his missus' arsehole, she enjoys it and he likes doing it, thats not the sort of shizzle im into, but they arnt hurting anyone so why should ib be different with same sex couples?

Now you're just arguing with nobody :)

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: quality

i dont expect anyone to like me cos i act like a dick but i only like Si, FB, Yeovil, and Rich Pullen on here oh and Stroood cos we are bessie mates x

i was worried i wouldnt get a mention there.


you're the man x

obviously have to save the best till last x

Hmmmm...I love it when people start a sentance with 'My mate...' because what they really mean 'I' but their to embarressed to admit it!

What your describing JPC82 is more commonly known as 'Rimming'. Best practised after a bath or shower I find. ;)

Us straight men can be very contradictive when we fantasize about 'doing some bird up the arse' but think its wrong for gay men to do the same with other men. Although it should be noted that not all gay men have penetrative sex. I personaly know of 2 gay friends, one of which only likes to give, the other told me he does not like penetrative sex full stop!

Which one of "your mates" are you inadvertently outing yourself as? :-)

soapy tit wank

I set myself up a treat there didn't I!

That must be one of the most mature posts I've ever had the pleasure to have read.  Listing the posters that you "only like".  Aah bless your little cottons.  Took me back to my school days that did!

For the record I only like the posters who have got some Italia 90 panini sticker swopsies, whoever has some can come round mine for tea, if my mrs lets me!

You're just jealous because he doesn't like you.

He's never met me Ben, I don't really get upset about people I've never met not liking me due to my views on STFC and 80% bollocks. 

That's still just more jealousy speaking jan.

You're right Ben, I'm an emotional wreck here, my colleagues are all wondering why I've just broken down, I can't go on like this anymore...

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to let it all out Ben!  I love you, please don't say this is another one way love, I can't take anymore rejection!!

Don't worry Jan. I'm full of so much love that there's more than enough to go around.

That's a relief!

See Si ... man love, not homosexual!

or both.

Struth the place is alive with 'em! Everytime you turn around another one pops out.

Bisexual?

I'm not popping out anywhere!!  Well not sat here I'm not!

or all three.

what about me?

You did rather. Seemed rude to pass it up :-)

No one loves you anymore Sonic.  I just not the thing to admit to these days, your era has gone!

I've never like you again Sonic after you called me 'c**t' eight times in one month.

He had a point.

eight times?

that's not enough.

:hmmm: ..............................  :toughguy:

:cunt:

I'm upset now ..... that's 37 posters who hate me, I've got more haters thanJCP4587290[2!! 8)

I love you Sonic

we have have our gang of people that matey boy doesnt like! so ner!  :nod:

I've got a Schillaci, a Colombia shiny and two Roger Millas.

Do you have a Daniel Fonseca or a Niall Quinn?

They should never have removed Section 28.
Fred's problem wouldn't then exist.

I await being called a bigot and a homophobe with baited breath...

I bet you're a secret homo ironside, you're probably too scared to even admit it to yourself.

Don't worry, one day you'll meet the right man, then all those odd feelings you've been over compensating against will finally make sense. You'll probably chill out a bit and be a much happy and nicer person.

Thanks ::)

[url width=221 height=350]http://terry.kovax.org/archives/chris%20cooper.jpg[/url]

  :hitler: was probably a repressed homo.  The Nazi party, was started early doors by Ernst Roehm a notorious bender....in fact being queer was the best way to advancement in the SA.

What the fuck has Hitler and the Nazi's got to do with that post Fred? :doh:

 Reg actually....I'm backing up fB's point about the link between homosexuality and far right politics.

you're a bigot and a homphobe with baited breath

Sorry, Reg.
What point was that, because I must of missed it?

you must *have* missed it you illiterate racist bigot with baited breath.

 :bye:

Oh yeah God forbid anyone should think you're a racist.

*bated,    it's a contraction of "abated"

Not necessarily neville - he may be in the habit of eating earthworms, maggots and other items of fishing bait, leading, no doubt, to a noticeable personal bouquet, in the form of baited breath

The point I was making is that Fred had a problem with young children being introduced to homosexuality at such a young age.

I simply pointed out that the removal of Section 28 is something that has meant that the picture he linked to is a direct result of that change in the law.

I didn't say whether I thought it was right or wrong, It is however, a valid point.

Some people here it would seem, don't want to take that point on board but would rather "shoot the messenger".  It says a lot about their mentality.

For all of those pointing out petty little typo's and grammatical mistakes, so what? I've seen a lot worse posted up here and besides, I'm trying to work here as well. GET A GRIP.

Thanks

Clearly when you said 'I await to be called...' you were fishing for such a response and got one. Don't lay it on like you didn't want an argument.

I didn't but certain sections of the membership seem to post the sort of comment we've seen here whenever I make a post, valid point or not.  I expected that response. I wonder when people will grow up a little bit?

Hence the "baited" breath I suppose - pauld was right after all.

Do you feel a bit singled out, like you're in the minority?

http://www.youtube.com/v/g9Qu3iP3RYA&hl=en&fs=1

I'll bite,

Fred's problem wouldn't exist if there had never been any stigma against homosexuality when he was growing up, be it from section 28, before it was decriminalised (60's?) or any other silly unnecessary legality.

Hopefully with children growing up with the stigma removed, knowing that same-sex relationships are just as acceptable as man-lady couplings, then views based on ignorant prejudice will die out. Everybody's a winner in this scenario. People who want to experiment with some home-team action can do so without worrying about what others think, and straight types don't have to worry about any persecution towards their gay friends/family, or maybe even about some of their own experimentation they did in their pasts before deciding that the other side was for them.

Much better all round than harbouring an atmosphere of guilt and prejudice which does nobody any good.

Good post fB.

Seems i missed all the fun, but i'll post anyway. My best mate at work was gay, he was my only male drinking buddy within work, and was a great laugh.

I couldn't care less what sexuality someone is and i have a quiet respect for openly homosexual males and females, because it shows they've got some bollocks and that has to be applauded. Plus i love seeing people overeact, sometimes angrily, in the face of homosexuality. But like fB says, this situation shouldn't need to exist and hopefully one day it won't.

Whether it is natural or not is kind of beyond debate in my book. The fact is, large numbers of people are homosexual and large numbers of animals are also. That in itself renders any unnatural argument useless imao, because the proof, as they say, is in the pudding.

thats all well and good FB but the more gays there are, the more people will get AIDs.


your argument is flawed.

I meant "bated", you were correct.

Good point well made FB.

Removing section 28 was a good thing in your opinion.  So where does that leave the likes of Fred, amongst others, who abviously feel uncomfortable with things as they are now?

Do they need to be persecuted for their thoughts since they differ from the now acceptable views? Should they harbour feelings of guilt and prejudice for feeling the way that they do?

Thanks posting a sensible reply btw.

No,no,thrice no.   The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

I feel I must reiterate that I am very comfortable with the situation as it is now, as many of you who know me will testify.

If my daughter wanted to be involved in an occasion such as this then I would be more than happy if she was at an age that she fully understood the situation in it's entirity

Yeah sorry Fred. Not fair to put words in your mouth. Your jollies off to the pink rooms are fairly legendary :D. You big gay bear.


Sorry had to do some jobs

Surely with more openness, people who've been bought up with a stimga against homosexuality will see their fears and uncomfortableness are unfounded, in fact you can see it happening now. Anti-gay feeling is much more of a minority now that it was 20 or even only 10 years ago.

Those who don't can put up with it, they can moan of course, but there voices will (and are) become(ing) the minority. Feeling guilt about having an unfounded prejudice against a harmless behaviour, is not the same has feeling guilt about performing the harmless behaviour itself.

On a related note, Leo Abse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Abse) died today.

I wasn't suggesting that you were uncomfortable with Homosexuality, hence the references to S28 (I think its Clause 28 actually).  The fact that you feel uncomfortable with children being involved with this kind of thing when they may not understand what's going on is the issue (correct me if I'm wrong).

I don't know about you but sex education at school didn't start until I was in the first year of secondary school, which seems about right to me.  These days they seem to "teaching" it in junior school which, other than the basics (the science bit about reproduction), seems wrong to me.

On the other hand, the fact they may not understand what its all about means it can't hurt them.

Personally, its not the gays that piss me off, its the fucking raving queen types that can be bit over the top and annoying.

Surely as parents its our job to help them understand?

Id be comfortable taking Gianluca along, i have a couple of close lesbian friends so he is aware that some ladies love other ladies and some men love men. Thankfully thats as far as we have got. I dread all the other sex questions that he may come out with!

Ironside, i had a letter at the end of term to inform me they will be starting sex education when he goes back in year 5, thats 9 and 10yr olds.
I can ask for him to be excluded from these lessons if i wish.
The thing is i would have said it was way too soon before i had a child at his age... but these things come out in the school playground anyways and are really miss informed so i guess, in my opinion its better he is taught properly.

Accepting Homosexuality is not just about the sexual acts that two people of the same sex might get up to. You can learn about Same-sex relationships as a child in the same way that you learn about Heterosexual relationships. As a 5 year old you might know Uncle Dave has a (or several) girlfriend, which most 5 years olds will accept without having have the full details of male-female intercourse. It's just as possible to introduce to children the idea of Uncle Dave/family friend/dude off the telly having a boyfriend without going into similar details.

  Sex education has to start earlier because girls now reach puberty earlier...average about 10.

 It is believed this has come about as a consequence of junk food diet, sedentary lifestyle and family breakdown....can just be one factor or a combination.

So is it accepatable for a child to be adopted by two gays?

Yep

no.
No

The problem does not seem to be with the children, as far as the children are concerned they couldnt give a monkeys, the only problem seems to be with the parents who have been socialised into holding the opinion that a same sex relationship is a bad thing.

My cousin in australia is a lesbian who has a long term partner, they have 3 little girls by a homosexual couple, the girls are the brightest most secure little kids i have ever met. to them having 2 daddies and 2 mummies is natural. is it right that someones interpretation of a fictional book from thousands of years ago is the law of the land? if we lived lives to said peoples guidelines the world would be a very fucked up place

I have certainly tried to do my bit in that respect MissA

However there is only so much that I feel I can expand upon to an 11 yr old, but likewise with hetro sexual's - its just this "out and proud" bit sometimes I feel is a bit too much "in your face" for me to be comfortable for a child of that age to be a part of.

However, that is my feelings and I respect others that feel differently.

On a side note, Jenna started her sex education program through school nearly a year ago and I must say they have handled it both sensibly and sensitively.

As a young lady who has started, puberty quite early, she knew a fair bit anyway

I think as long as the same sex couple are deemed ok (in terms of being able to bring up a child correctly) then I don't see it as a problem at all - makes no difference to the parenting of that child, they can do just as good a job.

I don't think a same sex couple are suddenly going to force their sexual preferences onto a child. After all, homosexuals have had to deal with a lot of prejudice and oppression in the past - to do the same would be hypocritical and I think given their experiences they'd much prefer the kid to make their own mind up as they grew up and got to the stage where sex is on their brain.

Exactly. The rules for adoption are pretty strict anyway, if they pass all the tests then good luck to them.

I think homosexual couples are less likely to push their sexual preference on a child than straight couples.

Less likely to split up

FACT

So at what stage do we stop indulging this minority then? There are always consequences to things and I personally beleive one of the consequences of being gay is that you don't have kids. Allowing adoption is a step much too far. What next?

Out of interest where do you stand on single parent adoption?

They are strict for a reason. As I have said before (and I'll repeat again if anybody missed it) the whole adoption process is geared around the child/children that are being adopted, and the process is not designed to meet the 'needs' of adoptive parents, whatever their circumstances. So long as you don't have any 'history', there is nothing stopping a same sex couple adopting as there is a hetero couple.

Just one thing. Where the fuck does it say that anyone has the right for the law to protect them from being "uncomfortable" with other people's sex lives?

The answer's nowhere.

Why though? If a gay couple can make good parents then why construct a extra consequence? They can't have their own kids, well not until they make a breakthrough in Embriotic Genetic thingies anyway, but you're making up that they can't have and look after kids which aren't biologically both theirs from your own head.

Of all the gay people I've known I think about half of them have had kids through some method or another.

I might be just too old to understand how a gay couple should be allowed to adopt a child, it can not be the best environment for the child. Now that might be old speech, I really don't know.
The gay parents might be the best thing since sliced bread, caring, loving etc and of course they have their rights to adopt.
But where does this leave the child, he/she accepts the situation as normal, well it is not normal?
I know only two gay couples who have adopted a child, and those children have gone through hell at school.
So in my opinion and I understand if any or all disagree, we think to much about the rights of the parents and not enough on the knock on mental health of the child in later life.

Geezer at works dad waited until he was 21 before he made it public knowledge he was batting for the other side, split up with his mum and fucked off to London with his boyfriends. She ended up moving to Australia last year because of it.

On the subject of gay adoption, I think its wrong because it just undermines the natural order of the family unit and replaces it with an "anything goes" approach which ultimately, is detrimental the children.

One of my very best friends has 5 kids ranging from 25 down to 14, 2 boys 3 girls, all the same father.
She always knew she ws gay though, she is now married again to a woman, who she has been with for years.
There is nothing wrong with her lot, the oldest boy lives with his girlfriend and children and is in the army. Her oldest daughter has her own child now is also in the army n lives with her boyfriend.
One of the girls is herself a lesbian, although my friend had serious talks with her about it to make sure she wasnt  following trend as it were.
The two youngest are still at school and have a mountian of friends. They have all had shit at school at times but have been comfortable enough to come home, talk to thier mum about it and its now like water off a ducks back.

I dont see there to be a problem at all, id much rather see a happy child with 2 dads than a child thats neglected by his drunken mother n father.

Fred - by "out n proud" do you mean slobbering all over each other and stuff? If thats the case i can kinda see what you mean but in the same breath you get straight couples doing it in parks on any summers day which is just as disturbing when im walking with Gianluca...

Open shows of affection are great........hell I do it all the time

There just seems to be this attitude of "I am out and I am proud and I damn the hell are going to let the whole world know about it"

Not needed

Maybe i should try it before i knock it :D

I'm against it. The family unit is the best environment to raise children. Irresponsibility and taking away boundaries has left us with a lot of the social problems we have today. Irresponsible adults breeding generations of irresponsible children.

I dont get what you mean?

Do you mean dressing like a Red Indian,Police Man or Construction Worker?

Having a Limp Wrist,Skipping and Screaming alot?

So a child is better in care than with 1 loving parent?

It depends on the circumstances. If there is one loving parent due to death / illness of partner then no. If its because the "loving" parent was selfish and irresponsible to bring the child inot the world on their own then yes.

OK

Let me ask you one thing ......................


Why celebrate the whole "gay pride" thing ?


If all is equal and the gay community wants to be an integral part of our community, then why have a festival to highlight the fact they are in same sex relationships ?

I am very very proud to be a father, as are a lot of other people on here

I dont shout about it, nor ask for a special shindig to let people know that fact

No i meant,if I child is in care would you think its better they stay there than be adopted to 1 person?

But you get fathers day and i get mothers day which is kinda the same ish...

Same reason we have things like black pride i guess

I think "family" is celebrated often enough.

As mentioned you have Fathers Day,Mothers day.The whole of society is set up in favour of familes (and rightly so)

Is a Gay Pride day any different to something like a Steam Rally or a Star Trek convention? Isnt it just like minded people celebrating their "thing"

hahah ive changed sides at least 3 times in this thread  8)

different alltogether

Cant see why?

 Think you're right Yeovil....the Steam Railway has an ale and cider festival starting tomorrow....pretty much the same.

 :D exactly the same actually

I'd go to a gay star trek ale and cider festival. Sounds like fun.

wow a space rocket

Is Gay Pride a celebration of being Gay or a celebration of what Gays might do ,i.e bumming :D

Surely its only out of order if its the second option?

I'll stop now,im boring myself :D

Though typing "bumming" made me giggle,so I might not  :D

It was going to go on a full on space adventure but I got bored. I might still tidy up the takeoff a bit tomorrow, if I get a chance out of my busy schedule.

bumming is a funny word, boner aswell always makes me laugh :)

Ill be fucked if I'm going to that !

Umbrella's in a pint of Old Rosie ?

Fucking poofs

 ;)

   :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

   

 Bumming can mean the same as scrounging, as in bumming a fag...

ha ha did you use the word Fag intentionally there Reg?

Bum me up Scotty

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So does anyone know ware the American slang word faggot originate?

   :nod:

The last theory was it came from space. That's what my space rocket is investigating.

That rocket looks like it belongs to Pepa Pig.

I love Peppa Pig - I love the way the young pigs have bold outlines and the old pigs like the grandma and grampy have wobbily thin outlines

And the random snorts.

I've never seen peppa pig.

I recommend it Ben - I think you will like it

Big cook little cook, Ballamory and Charlie and Lola are my favourite modern shows.

Kids will generally find anything to rip the piss out of each other at school. There was a girl at my school who was rumoured to be adopted because, to put it politely, looked a darned sight uglier than the rest of her family. It also turned out she was in fact adopted and the piss taking probably made her feel like the lowest of lows. Funny thing is, I see her around now and then and she is one of those girls that turned out to be really attractive. So I guess she had the last laugh.

If gay pride festivals are about showing kids what gay people do when they get intimate, then no I would not take my kids there. Much like you wouldn't take your young child to a lap dancing club - it's just not appropriate. My impression was that the gay pride things aren't about that at all. Having never been to one, is my impression of them incorrect?

In this day and age when your kid hits puperty, they've probably already seen all kinds of things on the internet anyway.

You had a child aged 9?

Fred, I think the attitudes of a significant percentage of the people posting on this thread should tell you why there is a "gay pride" "out and proud" type reaction from a proportion of the gay population.

If other parts of society are constantly telling you that what you are is "wrong" "unnatural" and whatever else is code for "something I don't understand and therefore fear" then it's understandable that there's going to be a reaction to that saying "actually this is the way I am and I'm not ashamed of it no matter what you think about it".

So we have the "black is beautiful" thing in the late 60's and 70's, and so also gay pride.

.....and STFC Loud and Proud...

Do you want to tell me what "natural order of the family unit" you're referring to here?

Surely you don't mean the nuclear family unit, something that at best has a few hundred years of history behind it.

Your argument makes two major errors, the first as I've already pointed out is in assuming that the social arrangements that YOU are used to and grew up in are "natural", so if the norm when you were a kid was a mum, a dad and 2/3 kids this is "natural" and "normal".

Any brief study of history or anthropology will tell you that such family arrangements are socially constructed. Go back 500 years and see how many households you find, even in Britain, that have that sort of nuclear structure.

The second is more philosophically fundamental. You fall victim to what moral philosophers call "the naturalistic fallacy". That is, even if your chosen family model, the nuclear family, WAS the "natural" way of living, you have made the assumption that alone is enough to make it morally desirable.

And that's bollocks. Go down that road and we're back to being tribal hunter gatherers pretty fucking quickly.

Exactly!

It's a shame they've dumped the L&P name as I was always rather fond of your splinter group Quiet and Ashamed.

That'd be cool...

  Q and A, is in mothballs and resting in a hangar up at the Science Museum, Wroughton.

  After this week, I'm wondering whether its time to revive it.