Abu Hamza Jailed

[pauld]

My logic as oppossed to yours? You sit back, do nothing and try to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted.

Hardly, I'm all for cops etc cracking down hard on extremists. And bang em up when caught. I just think then taking it out on innocent kids is perhaps going just a tad too far. Screaming old liberal that I am.

[el duque]

My housemate told me "that hook bloke got jailed today". I actually thought he meant Peter...

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Cripes. Whatever next?! Barney Sumner to get sent to Guantanamo for dodgy dancing?

[flammableBen]

To be perfectly honest Flammable, you may be on to something there.

I thought your arguments were gonna progress to that so I thought I'd speed it up a bit.  Of course where would we send them? Nearly all of them are british citizens (infact I'm pretty sure more people goto mosques each week than church), we'd probably have to round them up into some sort of camps until a suitable location was found. Cost a bit though, we better get them to do some labour while they are there.

[Ironside]

To be perfectly honest Flammable, you may be on to something there.

I thought your arguments were gonna progress to that so I thought I'd speed it up a bit.  Of course where would we send them? Nearly all of them are british citizens (infact I'm pretty sure more people goto mosques each week than church), we'd probably have to round them up into some sort of camps until a suitable location was found. Cost a bit though, we better get them to do some labour while they are there.

How very clever you are.

May I suggest that we simply send them back to their country of origin?  That way we don't have to "keep" them anywhere, they simply get on plane/boat and go away.

About the British Citizen thing. It's worthless nowadays. If you buy enough boxes of cornflakes and collect the tokens, the British Gowvernment will give you a passport.  The fact that person has citizenship is also irrelivent.  The lads who carried out the 7/7 bombings had citizenship and some were even born here.  Just goes to prove that their loyalty was with Islam and not Britain.

I aslo wonder how you will react in a few years time when Sharia Law is incorporated into the British legal system.  An action by you that at the moment is perfectly legal and acceptable in British Law and society as whole, could be against Sharia Law.  What will you do then fireboy?  Tell them to fuck off or take the stoning that will be dished out by the Muslims?

[mattboyslim]

Aren't a significant number of those convicted of terrorist acts relating to the irish conflicts of British citizenship too.  Are they also more loyal to their cause/denomination than their nation, where can we send them too?

Over history massive numbers of our population originate from different nations and have moved here and settled, it's how countries develop and/or expand.  We can't kick out people born in this country because people of the same family heritage or religion as them choose to break the law.

[McLovin]

el duque, I'd send them all to Guantanamo, purely for collaborating with the bird from the Scissor Sister...

[el duque]

el duque, I'd send them all to Guantanamo, purely for collaborating with the bird from the Scissor Sister...

What?! Even that bird who used to play the keyboards?

Thankfully (by the sounds of it) I have never heard the Scissor Sisters collaboration. Actually, I don't think that I've heard anything by the Scissor Sisters.

[Spud]

el duque, I'd send them all to Guantanamo, purely for collaborating with the bird from the Scissor Sister...

What?! Even that bird who used to play the keyboards?

Thankfully (by the sounds of it) I have never heard the Scissor Sisters collaboration. Actually, I don't think that I've heard anything by the Scissor Sisters.

You Jammy Git!, most over 'fucking' rated group ever.  :evil:

[Ironside]

Aren't a significant number of those convicted of terrorist acts relating to the irish conflicts of British citizenship too.  Are they also more loyal to their cause/denomination than their nation, where can we send them too?

Over history massive numbers of our population originate from different nations and have moved here and settled, it's how countries develop and/or expand.  We can't kick out people born in this country because people of the same family heritage or religion as them choose to break the law.

You have to be very careful when comparing the Ulster situation with the Islamic situation as they are two very different beasts with very different goals.

It's also worth bearing in mind that the vast majority of those NI terrorists are now walking the streets as free men.  Don't forget that the government did a deal with the terrorists.

I disagree about kicking them out.  It seems entirely reasonable to me.  They are not invited and not wanted, they don't make any positive contributions financially or socially. They worship a book which is a manual for conquest, institutionalises slavery, rape and paedophilia, which discriminates against women (even resorting to genital mutilation) and teaches that anyone who isn't a Muslim is a second class citizen to "used" or "abused" as the followers of Allah decide.

Let me put it this way. I'm not religious in way so have no intention of converting to Islam so where soes that leave me? Sold into slavery? abused by the followers of Allah for the rest of my life? not allowed any rights by my Muslim oversee'rs?  Or should I stand here today and say that if it's gonna happen, I'm going to fight it?

About the "massive numbers" issue. I've gone into this before, suffice to say that the numbers are absolutely miniscule when compared to the level of immigration over the last ten years.  They have also up until 1945 almost always been of white christian european decent.  That makes them very much like the normal occupants of this country, white christian europeans.  They have also had the advantage of being so small in number that don't make a massive impact in the social make up of the country and therefore find it easier to assimilate into public life whilst still retaining ther religious and cultural identities at home, if they wish to do so.

That aint whats happening now though is it? move over everyone, the Mad Mullah's want your land and they'll step on you to get it.

[mattboyslim]

Fair enough, that's about the most sensible thing you've said on this topic, I'm no expert I just personally feel that if someone hasn't committed a crime and is here legally, as judged by the british justice system then they can carry on as they like.  If or when they commit a crime they need to be dealt with, but having lived in a multicultral area like Birmingham for 4 years I have no problem with these people doing what they do, whether they are Moslem, Hindu, Sikh or whatever.  Like most of us are considered Christians (irrespective of whther we attend church or not) not all people of any religion are as extreme as others, many of these things come down to the interpretation of things.  I'm pretty sure some translations of the bible could be interpretted similarly against non-Christians.

[DMR]

The cunt should be fucking extradited let the yanks deal with the cunt (i.e. torture)

[Ironside]

Fair enough, that's about the most sensible thing you've said on this topic, I'm no expert I just personally feel that if someone hasn't committed a crime and is here legally, as judged by the british justice system then they can carry on as they like.  If or when they commit a crime they need to be dealt with, but having lived in a multicultral area like Birmingham for 4 years I have no problem with these people doing what they do, whether they are Moslem, Hindu, Sikh or whatever.  Like most of us are considered Christians (irrespective of whther we attend church or not) not all people of any religion are as extreme as others, many of these things come down to the interpretation of things.  I'm pretty sure some translations of the bible could be interpretted similarly against non-Christians.

Fair point but it gets very confusing when people start twisting meanings etc.  I still maintain that they are not here legally however they don't APPEAR at this stage TO HAve committed a crime (although they supported their Dad throughout his programme of hatred, thats enough in my mind)

The problem isn't the hindu's/sikhs/buddists/christian/scientologists etc etc.  The problem is Islam and its teachings.  The comparison between the Koran and the Bible is interesting because the bible has been "edited" over the last 2000 years and its undesirable apsects removed. The Christianity taught in the west today is a far cry from that which was taught 1500 years ago.  The Koran is in its original form.  It's what "god" says.  mohammed's hadiths don't help either.  He starts of all nice and co operative when he's only got a few followers, little money and power and is surrounded by tribes of Jews etc.  However a decade or so later when he's established himself and his band of followers and he has some power, the tone of the hadiths change from friendly co-operation to outright hostility and the institutionalision of the things I mentioned earlier.  This is where we are today.  Wherever there are Muslims there are conflicts and that is fact.

They've all been nice and co-operative up until 5 years ago. Why? because there wasnt enough of them in the country to make an impact.  Now there's millions of them (some of whom are the lowest of the already low) and now they're starting to throw their weight around and make unreasonable demands of the rest of us.

[Ben Wah Balls]

All this money that us decent hardworking taxpayers fork out for the likes Hamza and other baby eating foreigners really makes my blood boil.If we're not careful thousands of decent work avoiding white British scum will be left high and dry without the single mother community centres and drug addict relapse organisations that normally look after them.

All of spacey's posts in this thread are pure genius.

[DMR]

Should never have been jailed.

Hamza and Griffin are the same as far as im concerened and if Griffin was cleared then Hamza should of been as well.

Erm, Griffin is talking in his own country and is not talking about widespread murder.

[Spud]

The cunt should be fucking extradited let the yanks deal with the cunt (i.e. torture)