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[Ironside]

If you want to be pedantic then yes. My main point remains.

But your point remains incorrect then doesn't it?

[wheretherealredsare]

So technically it's a pay increase but effectively it's a pay cut. Therefore in a period of deflation any technical pay cut less than the rate of deflation is effectively a pay increase.

[Ironside]

So technically it's a pay increase but effectively it's a pay cut. Therefore in a period of deflation any technical pay cut less than the rate of deflation is effectively a pay increase.

Rethink required...

[Jimmy Glass is an Alien]

How are these selling?

Be a shame if the take-up is low - or if those that have bought are attendees anyway.

I spoke to Jason in the shop today and he said about 120 sold so far.

[jonny72]

Absolute bullshit. All public sector pay is frozen at 1%... except the MPs who are giving themselves 9%.

....except MP's don't decide their own pay, it's an independent body which they can't over rule.

[Nemo]

At least we're all in it together - FTSE 100 Directors had to settle for just 21% this year

http://news.sky.com/story/1351960/ftse-100-directors-earnings-up-21-percent-in-a-year

I'm not particularly socialist but this bit rankled:

Research by Sky News found the total pay package of the best paid CEO in the FTSE 100 index last year, Sir Martin Sorrell of WPP, equals the combined salaries of 1,403 newly qualified NHS midwives.

I'm fine with some people earning more than others. I just don't understand how that multiplier reaches thousands of times. What can a human even do with that money? Other than buy a football club...

[chalkies_shorts]

What can a human even do with that money? Other than buy a football club...

Count it and make others peoples lives a fucking misery

[RedRag]

....except MP's don't decide their own pay, it's an independent body which they can't over rule.

thank God MPs can overrule the independent pay review body's recommendation of a 1% payrise for midwives etc on the grounds it can't be afforded

[jonny72]

thank God MPs can overrule the independent pay review body's recommendation of a 1% payrise for midwives etc on the grounds it can't be afforded

Except they didn't. 45% of the NHS staff are at the top of their pay band and are getting a 1% pay rise. The remaining 55% are getting incremental pay rises worth around 3%, the Government decided they shouldn't get another 1% on top of that.

Also worth pointing out that the article Nemo linked to states that for the population as a whole wages dropped 1.6% over the last financial year whilst annual pay growth was just 0.6%. So I'd say the minimum 1% pay rise they're getting, which the rest of us are paying for, is a pretty good deal.

[RedRag]

Except they didn't. 45% of the NHS staff are at the top of their pay band and are getting a 1% pay rise. The remaining 55% are getting incremental pay rises worth around 3%, the Government decided they shouldn't get another 1% on top of that.

Also worth pointing out that the article Nemo linked to states that for the population as a whole wages dropped 1.6% over the last financial year whilst annual pay growth was just 0.6%. So I'd say the minimum 1% pay rise they're getting, which the rest of us are paying for, is a pretty good deal.

a reasonable opinion, jonny and you are of course right about the increments.

our opinions however have the benefit of being free of charge.

You, me and the rest of us do all pay however for the independent pay review committee's report.  We also all pay for those who commissioned the report at our expense and who then rejected it.

My interest is in the contrast of the poor mites being powerless to also reject their own state sector 9% increase funded by our goodselves.

[jonny72]

a reasonable opinion, jonny and you are of course right about the increments.

our opinions however have the benefit of being free of charge.

You, me and the rest of us do all pay however for the independent pay review committee's report.  We also all pay for those who commissioned the report at our expense and who then rejected it.

My interest is in the contrast of the poor mites being powerless to also reject their own state sector 9% increase funded by our goodselves.

The independent pay review for MP's was put in place, by MP's, in the way it was so they couldn't be accused of lining their own pockets (following on from the expenses scandal). Yet here they are being blamed for that very thing. Whilst I'm not their biggest fan, they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.

There is also the matter of scale. These pay rises affect 600 MP's (costing £6m a year, though I believe other changes to their overall package largely negates this) and 600,000 NHS staff (costing at least £180m a year). Without an increase in budget of £180m, a 1% extra pay rise would mean 6,000 NHS staff losing their jobs as their salaries would have to cover it instead.

There are plenty of people that have been hit hard by the recession, losing their jobs, their homes, or having a reduction in their finances, and the poorest are some of those hit hardest. So I have find it hard to have sympathy for NHS staff that are moaning and going on strike as they're only getting a 3% pay rise rather than 4%.

[kerry red]

Bloody hell!

Cant this mumbo jumbo go on a different thread?

[Reg Smeeton]

I spoke to Jason in the shop today and he said about 120 sold so far.

I guess they'll be hoping for a few more than that, although of course all extra ticket sales are welcome.

I wonder which route Honky is taking to get there? For some obscure reason, I do like going by the Haynes place at Sparkford, on the 303 always strikes me as somehow incongruous that such a place is there....apparently they've now got a motor museum of cars and mbikes there, which might interest some of the TEF petrol heads.

There can't be too many TEF'ers and I include our few ladies, who haven't got an oily fingerprinted Haynes manual or two somewhere about the place.

[reeves4england]

I guess they'll be hoping for a few more than that, although of course all extra ticket sales are welcome.

Important to remember that we've hardly played (if at all?) since the announcement was made. Some will wait for the next home game, some will wait for pay day, others might buy one at/after Christmas.

[pauld]

FFS! The 8 match ticket thread gets derailed by political pedantry, the mods kindly separate the bullshit out over here only for you lot to start talking about the original topic again. Sort yourselves out, TEF!