I don't care if your fishing here or not. But you're an absolute disgrace of an excuse of a man if you're even trying to justify what these kids are doing. This isn't a riot against anything, it's just a riot for the sake of it. People are destroying other people's businesses, homes and cars. How is destroying those things a stance against corrupt government?
Talk Talk I used to quite enjoy reading your one man crusade against this and that, but I'm disgusted with your view here. No one should be trying to make excuses for the scum that have done so much damage to other people's lives.
Where did I state that I condoned the violence and steal? 'My view' says nothing about making excuses. I am completely the opposite in fact, I abhore the initiation of the use of force against persons and their property, including theft. I would never riot or attack coppers. Of course a lot of these arseholes are going to be opportunistic and loot if it benefits them. When they see their 'lord and master' MPs stealing hundreds of thousands of pounds from the public in expenses and police chief constables being arrested for fraud and corruption why should they feel any different. Same shit, different situation.
I wonder if he'd (TT) be saying the same if he saw the god awful state of Clapham this morning.
The destruction is just undescribable and can in no way shape or form be justified.
I would be saying exactly the same about the
causes of this mess.
Don't think Talk Talk was every trying to justify what these people were doing just explain it. Yea the people doing it are fucking dick heads but its not like that's a genetic gene. Dickhead's area a product of the environment. Or im my opinion they are, doesn't mean what they have done is right. Also, I think with the resources available the police have done a great job and that after the dust has setled they'll be a fucking long case bringing a lot of these people to justice. As for all the other stuf tak talk said, was a fucking interesting debate (if you can call it that).
Thank you Michael. Good post and great to see somebody using their brain as opposed to the knee jerkers on here.
I do agree that much of the violence is opportunistic, but step back and ask why it's happening now. My view is that this is part of a readjustment, where living standards in this country are on the decline. The East is rising and the West, relatively, is in decline. The problem with readjustments, however, is that they are rarely orderly or smooth. They happen in fits and starts, gears get crunched. It's never pretty.
The West's decline relative to the East has been happening for well over a decade, but we've not seen this show up in our living standards because of the vast sums of money the East (principally China) has been prepared to lend at low rates of interest since the start of the century. That source of funding has now dried up, so the disorderly readjustment starts.
Of course, the effect of this impacts disproportionately on the youngest, and least on the oldest. If you're 50+, you're likely to have benefitted more from the good times, you'll have been able to buy your house cheaply and, most likely, the mortgage will now have been paid off. Your pension is likely to be generous, on terms simply not available to the younger generation (if, that is, they can find work.) Day to day items have been cheap for most of your life because Far East economies have been producing them for a pittance.
If you're 25 or under, you'll be acutely aware that opportunities available to your parents will not be available to you. The biggest opportunity is the opportunity to work. When the squeeze came, those already in jobs clung on (and are still clinging on) for dear life - and understandably so. But the conveyer belt broke down so that the youngest generation of adults have not been able to enter the labour market in the same numbers. Things cost more, you have less money, a university education is no longer provided by the state but, instead, costs the same as a high end car. Not a great time to be in your 20s.
I'm not excusing violence; I'm just explaining why I'm not surprised that this has all kicked off. There's a very pissed off, disenfranchised generation of youngsters out there. Add in school holidays and long, warm summer evenings...and it's not hard to see how something like the death in Tottenham is going to throw a spark on to the wood pile.
For once, I'm actually in agreement with at least some of what TalkTalk is saying.
Another sensible post. I repeat - who has formed the environment and the social conditions and the employment situation and the benefit culture and the education system and the police and the criminal justice system that we live under? It is government that is completely inept at doing anything properly. Can you imagine if the state had the monopoly on mobile phone development? We would still be pulling boxes round on wheels.
There is no way around the argument that government
is responsible for the situation we are in. It is payback time for a hell of a lot of pissed off 'citizens'.
