Question and debate with Ironside

[Talk Talk]

Fair enough, good answer.

No it's not. It's a fucking cop-out.

Well I'm sorry Paul, it was fair enough and a good answer. He replied to what I asked him.

I am coming to this thread cold, I haven't read anything Ironside has posted before and I have no preconceived ideas about his opinions. I thought that is what this was about?

Don't shout people down just because you want to put your point over.

And I'm inclined to agree with STFC Dave, he has come out of this rather well tbh, whether you agree with him or not.

[chalkies_shorts]

Now that I've sobered up with the intention of getting pissed again let me ask three more questions. If any of the main stream parties would implement your proposals around immigration, would you vote for them? Just to try and see if the stereotype works, if someone met you would they describe you as a shaven headed thug? Lastly, do you work -if so without giving too many details away - is your work manual or are you in the Services?
Apoloigies if it seems I'm going on a bit, but instead of just shouting you down, I'd rather establish the actual facts instead of a load of assumptions.

[Talk Talk]

Now that I've sobered up

What, only just sobered up?

[chalkies_shorts]

Fucking feels like it. I can't believe my spelling was OK last night. I was pissed even by my high standards. Started on the Merrydown an hour ago so its getting better.

 

[Ironside]

Now that I've sobered up with the intention of getting pissed again let me ask three more questions. If any of the main stream parties would implement your proposals around immigration, would you vote for them? Just to try and see if the stereotype works, if someone met you would they describe you as a shaven headed thug? Lastly, do you work -if so without giving too many details away - is your work manual or are you in the Services?
Apoloigies if it seems I'm going on a bit, but instead of just shouting you down, I'd rather establish the actual facts instead of a load of assumptions.

I am shaven headed. Thayt;s because hair doesn't suit me and I'm a tiht cunt. I paid £40  about 10 years ago and have saved myself a grand or more on haircuts.

I would vote conveservative if they impelemented a decent immigration policy and withdrew from the EU now. It's not going to happen though is it. It hasn't looked like it would happen for a decade. They're three strands of the same party. I want the opposition to OPPOSE, not agree with the ruling party.

Oh righteous one you still haven't told the forum where your vote wentat the last general election. Are you avoiding the question incase someone wants to disect YOUR fucking opinion?

[Ironside]

Oh, and I'm involved in corporate sales, nationally and internationally Chalkie.

I claimed the dole for about 6 weeks when I was seventeen, other than that, I've paid my dues.

and mex is a fucking blinkered cuntstain. In the nicest possible way...

[Ironside]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7943556.stm

Davis....?

Lumpy? was that you you?

scum.

[chalkies_shorts]

So, are these 2 single issues ( immigration , EU ) more important than membership of any political party? Why not UKIP? Also, to answer Pauls question what are you views on Holocaust deniers? Maybe PaulD will answer your question at some stage.  

[sheepshagger]

To be fair to Paul he may well be on his way back from Leeds - which is why he might not have answered....

I have to say in fairness to Ironside I think he has been honest enough on this topic.  He knows I disagree with most of his opinions - and usually tell him so - however I deliberately stayed away from this debate to see what was written - and I have to say fair play....

Although I do have a bit of a problem with your little bit of German - I am not sure "We must Exterminate the Liberals"  is entirely necessary .....

[flammableBen]

Although I do have a bit of a problem with your little bit of German - I am not sure "We must Exterminate the Liberals"  is entirely necessary .....

That was me. I thought it sums up a lot of his posts pretty well.

[sheepshagger]

 - fair enough - Apologies from me to Ironside on that then....

[Ironside]

Chalkie, a few months ago, the righteous one and his spasctic friends were having a pop at Israel. I defended Israel and Israel's rights. You can look that up. In that thread I said, in response to the same question, that anyone who denies the holocaust happened is deluded.

To put the claims of "holocaust denial" into some kind of context, the people who are being vilified are not questioning the fact that it happened, they are putting forward OPINIONS as to the extent of it.  THey are questioning the readily accepted figure of 6m Jews murdered.  From what I've read of these "holocaust deniers", they seem to be suggesting that 6m people were arbitrarily murdered but they question whether they were all Jews. They seem to be suggesting that several million of the 6m were not Jews but simply enemies of the regime.  I don't know whether they are right or wrong, they're entitled to their opinion, just like the muslim scum who mocked the2nd Royal Anglians.  You have the right to challenge that opinion. They should not be criminalised for that OPINION.  Unfortunately, like the muslims and others, thye Jews are a protected and designat victim group in modern Britain and are therefore afforded "protection" that is above and beyond what is due.

[Lumps]

SECTION 2: MEMBERSHIP

       2) The indigenous British ethnic groups deriving from the class of ‘Indigenous Caucasian’ consist of members of: i) The Anglo-Saxon Folk Community; ii) The Celtic Scottish Folk Community; iii) The Scots-Northern Irish Folk Community; iv) The Celtic Welsh Folk Community; v) The Celtic Irish Folk Community; vi) The Celtic Cornish Folk Community; vii) The Anglo-Saxon-Celtic Folk Community; viii) The Celtic-Norse Folk Community; ix) The Anglo-Saxon-Norse Folk Community; x) The Anglo-Saxon-Indigenous European Folk Community; xi) Members of these ethnic groups who reside either within or outside Europe but ethnically derive from them.

I wasn't going to contribute anything to this thread as its just giving a raciest a platform I'm not really interested in providing but I have to say that quote is THE funniest thing I've read this week.

That's got to be THE most long winded way to say "white people" that I've ever seen. What a shame most of the actual definitions would make the average anthropologist or ethnologist piss themselves laughing. "The Celtic Norse folk community" for fuck sake!

Whilst I'm here, interesting that Miss Marple's justification for the racial membership restriction is absolutely fucking identical to that used on the BNP's website, which lists a few dozen BEM organisations and pressure groups, and compares itself to them.

Obviously it skips lightly over the fact that none of those organisations are political parties seeking to elect representatives into local and national seats of government and clearly assumes that it's readership is too stupid to make that distinction for itself. I'm sure the point wasn't lost on you lot though.

The rest of the argument is a bit pointless. The BNP man refuses to defend the most controversial BNP policies, and even talks about "a good multiracial society", the very thing that the party was established to oppose, so I'm not really sure what the purpose of the debate is. I can see the point of taking apart the policies of a political party that has the potential to be a really unpleasant influence on British politics, but I'm not really that interested in just arguing the toss with some sad, lonely, middle-aged racist.

The only thing I can say is that if you don't support the idea of the repatriation of all non-white people living in the UK perhaps it's not a good idea to vote for a party that has that as one of its major policies. (Yes it is still on the website under immigration policy, and Griffin has refused to rule out compulsory repatriation on about half a dozen occasions in the last few years). If you don't want to be described as a nazi then don't join a party who's entire leadership is drawn from people with long histories of involvement in British fascism, and was founded by a bloke who was the deputy leader of Spearhead, a fascist "private army" modelled on the brownshirts.

If you're only going to run away from arguments with the excuse that you don't necessarily agree with party policy then don't mention the shitbags on here again or post any more  links to their fucking website eh?

If you can manage that, I'll accept that you're not an active member of a fascist party, I'll stop making all references to them, stop asking you to justify the more mental master race delusions of that movement and start treating your posts like I do those of the other small minded racists that post on here; i.e. argue the toss when I can be arsed or just call you a racist twat when I can't.

That sound fair enough?

[flammableBen]

Why do you think that saying something is an OPINION gives it a greater weight as an argument?

[Ironside]

To be fair to Paul he may well be on his way back from Leeds - which is why he might not have answered....

I have to say in fairness to Ironside I think he has been honest enough on this topic.  He knows I disagree with most of his opinions - and usually tell him so - however I deliberately stayed away from this debate to see what was written - and I have to say fair play....

Although I do have a bit of a problem with your little bit of German - I am not sure "We must Exterminate the Liberals"  is entirely necessary .....

Well thank you Sheepshagger. I appreciate the post.

I have been honest from the very start. I asked for this thread. The forum was becoming ridiculous so something had to be done to get it out in the open.  

The German is courtesy of fb and I wouldn't know how to change it.