Sturrock: Takeover Will Not Benefit the club

[magic8ball]

Spin Spin Spin

Fuck me the Adver even rolled Willie out again !

Any ideas why he hopes we are only now going places after he's been here for 5 years?

Whats he been doing all this time?

Presenting on BBC with Claire fucking Balding thats what.

[Fred Elliot]

I know Magic

Fucking disgrace

It also goes to show that the Board has the Adver in their back pockets

[magic8ball]

That might explain the Sturrock story getting top billing anyway.

[Fred Elliot]

The PR machine in full swing magic - pure spin mate

[janaage]

It also goes to show that the Board has the Adver in their back pockets

To be honest I don't think that's the case.  From what I was hearing on Monday the Adver would be up for reporting the truth in the near future, rather than all this woolly rubbish.

[Sharky]

I really cannot believe that after all these years, you can possibly come out in support of the current regime who are in charge of our beloved football club.

It is entirely irresponsible to quote 'unknown obstacles' as reasons for their ineptness, of which we have seen a barrel-full.

The fact is, there are 92 teams in the football league. Each team is run in a similar way with a board of directors, CEO and various other members of staff. Income that is generated for each team varies, and this would appear to have a direct relation with success.

Currently, our average attendance is the highest in League 2, and if we were in League 1 with the same average attendace, it would be the 9th highest. Even if we were in the Championship, it would be higher than Colchester's current average.

My point is, that this club should not be plying their trade in League 2. You can't blame our situation on the fact that we've haven't had good managers in recent seasons. Who do you think appoints these managers in the first place? Who appointed Andy King, again after his first debacle as manager?

I think the fact that we currenly have a decent manager in charge has added fuel to the flames for many supporters. At last, we seem to have added a very important piece to the jigsaw. Can you imagine how well we could do with a new team in charge? SSW has already stated that without stadium developments, he does not possess the moolah to take this club forward, but merely keep its head bobbing above water (of which I am truly grateful to the man), but his continuing association with somebody who has been investigated for various irregularities (i don't know enough about that so I wont go into it) quite frankly worries the hell out of me.

At the end of the day, as you quite clearly stated, the current board are paid to do what they are doing. Unfortunately, they are their own bosses. They aren't accountable to anybody, except maybe us. The fans. I'm afraid that its been going on for so long, and now, we actually have what appears to be a very attractive offer almost in place, we'd be crazy not to back it. And nobody else is going to get the current lot out, so its up to us. I guess you won't be wearing orange on Saturday?

And finally (sorry about all this), this is a discussion forum, designed to ignite debate. If reading peoples opinions (whiney or not) get on your nerves, then maybe take your business elsewhere?

Thanks for almost keeping you comments to a debate level as opposed to stooping into a slagging match but in fairness you missed my point.

I do not support the current regime any more than I support the idea of a succesful consortium bid being made.......my point is that whichever you believe in.... where is the need to act like a little girl, crying and moaning about the past years of hurt and lies!??!?!

You can't blame our situation on the fact that we've haven't had good managers in recent seasons. Who do you think appoints these managers in the first place? Who appointed Andy King, again after his first debacle as manager?

I think the fact that we currenly have a decent manager in charge has added fuel to the flames for many supporters

??  How has it added fuel to the flames .....fine they may have made soem crap appointments in the past but its still the same people that have now (TWICE if you count Wise) found good managers to take us forward!?

Surely this football club, like all the other 92 clubs is based on one major point......football!.....if the team play well whether there are 10 people or 20,000 watching then they will go up the leagues (case in point being colchester)

The finances behind the scenes to support that team are what the stumbling block with our club is at present, nothing to do with the management or squad who could be run on shoe string budget as many clubs have shown.

I agree that for progression up the leagues and for our team to do as I stated above, it is a massive boost to have the attendances behind them and the facilities and financial backing....but how many clubs have this problem?......its certainly not just us is it and we are not bottom of the footballing league we're on our way up one!!

I cant help but feel its a case of you can only make something out of the ingredients your given and as such if the consortium have the backing (as we are regularly told they do) then one can assume they would produce a better result with the better ingredients, but money does not make the club, football does!

People are losing their way at the minute and I fear that either with the current regime or the consortium or whoever in charge, we are losing sight of the short term goals too.....the more we disrupt what at present is a successful footballing season the more likely we are to fuck it up as PS has said in his statement asking for stability.

No one wants this club to go under and no one (including the board) are stupid enough to let it happen......I would never stand in the way of a better regime coming in, but at present I fail to see how disrupting a successful team by overhauling the whole board can help???

Surely the best option for our club in terms of stability and getting the most important part of the job done (GETTING OUT OF THIS LEAGUE) is to invest the required sum of money to clear the CVA and then start with the takeover talks???

I fear if things progress on the rocky road they have been with current relations, that our team and manager especially, will take a knocking and the season will be lost.

I'm all for short term sacrifice for long term gains and all that but I see no point in risking what is already on track to be a success this year???
IMO

[Samdy Gray]

I certainly refuse to believe the current board have turned a corner and have seen the light.

You can't run a business into the ground for five years, strip all it's assets and then suddenly decide to have another pop at being succesful. It just won't work.

The appointment of Boyd and Bowden is IMO just a ploy to make those narrow minded individuals who don't really know the ins and outs of the club believe the board are trying to take this club somewhere. There's too many nimbys supporting this club who don't understand the shit we're actually in. You could argue the board are speculating to accumulate, but there's no money to speculate with. Where are the wages coming from for these two?

Mr Sturrock would be wise to do what he does best, manage the FOOTBALL team. Leave the political crap to the board, however I feel they've already 'got to him'. Those nimbys I reffered to previously are band-wagon jumpers who probably have only really taken an interest in the club since the appointment of first Wise and now Sturrock. Of course they're going to listen to what Sturrock has to say. It's all spin to get the nimbys on side.

[STFC Village]

There's too many nimbys supporting this club

[Samdy Gray]

Nimby = Clueless moron

[Sharky]

Has anyone thought to do a credible poll of how many supporters feel that a boadroom overhaul via a takeover would be a good thing???

And by that I dont mean all the consortium members grouping up and saying we all agree.....I mean a full attendance vote of 5 or 6 thousand people?

I mean there are what 750 members of the trust.....even if twice this many think its the way forward.....as my maths goes thats still a minority isnt it???

Why not if the consortium are going to be so good at running things, release a full explanantion of how they intend to run things and ask the fans (all of them) to vote on who they'd want in charge? (preferrably without propoganda to cut the other options down with lies and half truths)

I wouldnt be surprised if , nimby's, numpty's or brains of britains the results were not so clean cut as the Trust seem to think it is.....not everyone agrees with the proposals, unfortunately only those involved in them seem to be ken to speak up......regardless ALL the fans are just as important to the clubs future!

[STFC Village]

NIMBY = Not In My Back Yard, ie the people who wanted a new stadium for STFC, when the proposals for Shaw Tip were first released, but didn't want it anywhere near them

[magic8ball]

I think basically, most fans at the moment are tired. Tired of the lies, mis-management, bewildering statements and stubborn attitudes of the current board.

There's the whole CVA situation. The fans were clearly told at the AGM that this situation was sorted, and as everybody knows, it was not.

I don't know a great deal about business, but we have appeared to have generated some significant income over the past few seasons. Starting with the Parkin money, the Bryan Adams concert, Fallon money, and Bill Power's money. Also, at the biginning of this season, season ticket sales were up, and merchandise sales were up. Therefore, you'd think they'd be able to handle a mere £100,000 vat payment. Again, I don't know the ins and outs, but thats the way it appears to me, and I'd imagine the average Town supporter. If this is not the case, the board need to tell us, in plain English why.

Onto current events. Several months ago, when the whole situation was starting to erupt, we went through a phase of getting regular club statements on the OS threatening us that SSW would pull out if we didn't stop having a go at the current board. As much as it isn't nice to be held to ransome like this, we know have a viable alternative to the current regime. They've made various statements about how quickly they would move aside if an alternative was available (statements made when no alternative was available) and now it is, we just see stalling tactics, and we hear that they aren't active looking to sell. All contradictions.

[stfctownenda]

Sharkey I just cant understand how you can be impartial it has gone beyond that for the majority of fans.  I dont think stability is an argument, what worries me is these guys are out for themselves talk of moving our beloved club away from the town makes me angry and worried.  There is no argument, 1 week there telling us they have failed to make a CVA payment and are re-negotiating to delay the payment as there not in a position to pay it at the moment and then the next there employing 3 new people (Holt, Boyd and Bowden), so 3 new salaries that somehow we can now afford, including an expensive consultant from Reading, you want balanced discussion please explain this as I may be missing something?? is this the same board that also sacked/let go Linda Burrell as they couldnt afford her salary.  Sharkey come along to a trust meeting dont fear change, what these guys are trying to achieve is fantastic, these guys all love the club are all pulling together and have some great ideas, read the manifesto, read the ground plans this is not a bunch of cowboys they all have good knowledge and skills, plus Mike Wilks business knowhow and Phil Emmel & Bill Powers financial backing this consortium is going places.  This isnt the time for burying our heads in the sand for stability this is decision time either we want a club or we dont want, there is only one future and that is with the consortium and I for one am right behind those guys bring on the Orange Revolution  

[Sharky]

1 week there telling us they have failed to make a CVA payment and are re-negotiating to delay the payment as there not in a position to pay it

Once more I struggle to understand how peoples words can be so misinterpreted and wonder if that is not why we are in the position we are now?

They never said that the COULD NOT make the payment, they always said they had the money but felt (After being advised by the Accreditor) that they could delay payment to be made with the final installment.....hence make interest on the £100K on account rather than through it at the problem.

If you have a deadline for something tobedone for tomorrow and you rush to get it done in time and then at the last minute you are told by the guy who the deadline is for that you can have until next week if you would like, would you hand in the first attempt regardless or would you not spend the next week trying to make what you did better seeing as you now have more time to do it??

I think the point really is that the situation should not have really arisen in the first place.....if there was no CVA to pay then there would likely be no takeover talks and no attempt to move the club forward....regardless they do have the £100K and probably now some interest, but the main point is how best to be able to pay the rest of the CVA.....

If the consortium is the way forward then so be it, but I dnt see the need to slag off the board when people can just get on with trying to provide a better alternative and leave the bickering to the kids.

[Samdy Gray]

NIMBY = Not In My Back Yard, ie the people who wanted a new stadium for STFC, when the proposals for Shaw Tip were first released, but didn't want it anywhere near them

Oops  

Got my terminology confused. I didn't mean nimby as in the way you said, I meant clueless moron.