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« Reply #15 on: Thursday, December 14, 2006, 10:45:55 »

As my scottish manager says at work "This is greeeeeeeet".

Can't wait til it's all over and we have the board we want at the helm.  I wonder what PS will say then.
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« Reply #16 on: Thursday, December 14, 2006, 10:49:16 »

To be honest, having Sturrock behind the board is a massive blow - he's not just supporting them, he's ctaegorically stating that he doesn't see that a takeover is of benefit - and he wouldn't have said that had the board not indicated that that is their view too.

I love it how the Adver is plastered with soundbites from Starnes, Butler and Bowden - with not ONE mention of how they intend to pay the CVA, or fund January transfers, or why they lied at an AGM, or why their story has changed in press releases from week-to-week-to the next bloody week.

If you're reading Luggy, please take time to hear the other side of the argument. We wouldn't shit stir unless there was something to genuinely worry about - we're the ones who'll be here long after everyone else has gone after all.
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« Reply #17 on: Thursday, December 14, 2006, 10:49:29 »

Double post
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« Reply #18 on: Thursday, December 14, 2006, 10:56:03 »

Quote from: "magic8ball"
Presumably they've spun him various yarns about how much they're behind the club, and want to take us forward.


With all due respect to all of you that have taken an active role in helping mount a takeover bid, and to the those of you who merely log on to this site to jump the bandwagon....you lot are becoming more and more childish as the days go on.

Now dont get me wrong I dont defend some of the lies and cover ups we have endured over the years, but in all fairness there is one simple fact and that is that no matter how good, bad or inadequate the board and their current staff are at their job.....it is still their job, they still get paid and as such their wages and dividends etc are on the line if they mess it up as they have been so they have no interest in intentionally fucking it up!!!

You lot seem to think that slagging them off at every opportunity or attempt to try and do things right is justified because of past experiences....do you honestly believe that Diamandis and Co sit in their office with our Profit and Loss accounts pinned to the wall and have a sword fight to piss all over them???

It takes a special breed of one dimentional hypocrits to dictate how things should be done when the full facts are not known and I feel that this forum and the club in general have done a very good job of breeding such people in some of you!

I mean come on, have you never heard one of the many derivations of the story of the boy that continually called and pranked the police and emergency services when nothing was wrong....and then one day when something was really wrong, they did not believe him despite it being a real emergency?!?!?!

Who is to say that the board dont have some good plans for a stadium redevelopment (as they suggest they have several further ones) and who is to say that they dont know what they are doing when you have not been in their shoes with the obstacles they have had to face (merely think you can handle it as you have experience in similar fields).

At the end of the day there will only ever be one outcome out of all of this that would be beneficial to the club and thats unity and investment in my view as opposed to take overs and oustings!  

We get yo-yo'd around the leagues every year cause of our inability to get a good manager to stay and now we have one we should be uniting to help our club.  

Now if some of you believe that Bill Power and the consortium are the way forward then fine I salute you for your bravery in taking on such a challenge....but for god sake stop slagging of the current regime like your 10 years old and get on with the shed loads of work you have to do, as there is no productivity to slagging matches.

I for one am available to be convinced but at present I only see a half finished article.

To the rest of you i urge you to please either back the board, back the consortium or sit quietly on the fence, but the one singular thing that carries through all of these is that there is NO BENEFIT WHATSOEVER in acting like spoilt upset children about the way we have been treated, get over it and do something about it (other than moan and whine like a 10 year old girl)

Cue barage of abusive reply's as that is the level of this forum these days.
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« Reply #19 on: Thursday, December 14, 2006, 11:03:55 »

lie after lie.contradiction after contradiction.cover up after cover up.threat after threat.

thats enough for me to say the current lot aint up to it.(i may be wrong but i doubt it)i dont need to know everything to realise that,i know enough to make that judgement.
i think the alternative seems a better way forward for stfc


interesting post though sharky,and sturrocks opinions make the whole episode even more interesting now
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« Reply #20 on: Thursday, December 14, 2006, 11:04:10 »

Moonie, I really don't see it as a blow, what else could Mr Sturrock come out and say?  

"Roll on the revolution, let's get these ***** out of here, especially that greek bloke, proper ******* he is".  

They are his employers he cannot be seen to take the side of the rebels, and he has to be seen as backing the people who gave him a job.
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« Reply #21 on: Thursday, December 14, 2006, 11:16:04 »

Quote from: "Sharky"
Who is to say that the board dont have some good plans for a stadium redevelopment
Didn't they say that they wanted to move the club out of Swindon, yesterday?
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magic8ball

« Reply #22 on: Thursday, December 14, 2006, 11:22:32 »

Quote from: "Sharky"
Quote from: "magic8ball"
Presumably they've spun him various yarns about how much they're behind the club, and want to take us forward.


With all due respect to all of you that have taken an active role in helping mount a takeover bid, and to the those of you who merely log on to this site to jump the bandwagon....you lot are becoming more and more childish as the days go on.

Now dont get me wrong I dont defend some of the lies and cover ups we have endured over the years, but in all fairness there is one simple fact and that is that no matter how good, bad or inadequate the board and their current staff are at their job.....it is still their job, they still get paid and as such their wages and dividends etc are on the line if they mess it up as they have been so they have no interest in intentionally fucking it up!!!

You lot seem to think that slagging them off at every opportunity or attempt to try and do things right is justified because of past experiences....do you honestly believe that Diamandis and Co sit in their office with our Profit and Loss accounts pinned to the wall and have a sword fight to piss all over them???

It takes a special breed of one dimentional hypocrits to dictate how things should be done when the full facts are not known and I feel that this forum and the club in general have done a very good job of breeding such people in some of you!

I mean come on, have you never heard one of the many derivations of the story of the boy that continually called and pranked the police and emergency services when nothing was wrong....and then one day when something was really wrong, they did not believe him despite it being a real emergency?!?!?!

Who is to say that the board dont have some good plans for a stadium redevelopment (as they suggest they have several further ones) and who is to say that they dont know what they are doing when you have not been in their shoes with the obstacles they have had to face (merely think you can handle it as you have experience in similar fields).

At the end of the day there will only ever be one outcome out of all of this that would be beneficial to the club and thats unity and investment in my view as opposed to take overs and oustings!  

We get yo-yo'd around the leagues every year cause of our inability to get a good manager to stay and now we have one we should be uniting to help our club.  

Now if some of you believe that Bill Power and the consortium are the way forward then fine I salute you for your bravery in taking on such a challenge....but for god sake stop slagging of the current regime like your 10 years old and get on with the shed loads of work you have to do, as there is no productivity to slagging matches.

I for one am available to be convinced but at present I only see a half finished article.

To the rest of you i urge you to please either back the board, back the consortium or sit quietly on the fence, but the one singular thing that carries through all of these is that there is NO BENEFIT WHATSOEVER in acting like spoilt upset children about the way we have been treated, get over it and do something about it (other than moan and whine like a 10 year old girl)

Cue barage of abusive reply's as that is the level of this forum these days.


I really cannot believe that after all these years, you can possibly come out in support of the current regime who are in charge of our beloved football club.

It is entirely irresponsible to quote 'unknown obstacles' as reasons for their ineptness, of which we have seen a barrel-full.

The fact is, there are 92 teams in the football league. Each team is run in a similar way with a board of directors, CEO and various other members of staff. Income that is generated for each team varies, and this would appear to have a direct relation with success.

Currently, our average attendance is the highest in League 2, and if we were in League 1 with the same average attendace, it would be the 9th highest. Even if we were in the Championship, it would be higher than Colchester's current average.

My point is, that this club should not be plying their trade in League 2. You can't blame our situation on the fact that we've haven't had good managers in recent seasons. Who do you think appoints these managers in the first place? Who appointed Andy King, again after his first debacle as manager?

I think the fact that we currenly have a decent manager in charge has added fuel to the flames for many supporters. At last, we seem to have added a very important piece to the jigsaw. Can you imagine how well we could do with a new team in charge? SSW has already stated that without stadium developments, he does not possess the moolah to take this club forward, but merely keep its head bobbing above water (of which I am truly grateful to the man), but his continuing association with somebody who has been investigated for various irregularities (i don't know enough about that so I wont go into it) quite frankly worries the hell out of me.

At the end of the day, as you quite clearly stated, the current board are paid to do what they are doing. Unfortunately, they are their own bosses. They aren't accountable to anybody, except maybe us. The fans. I'm afraid that its been going on for so long, and now, we actually have what appears to be a very attractive offer almost in place, we'd be crazy not to back it. And nobody else is going to get the current lot out, so its up to us. I guess you won't be wearing orange on Saturday?

And finally (sorry about all this), this is a discussion forum, designed to ignite debate. If reading peoples opinions (whiney or not) get on your nerves, then maybe take your business elsewhere?
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« Reply #23 on: Thursday, December 14, 2006, 11:24:58 »

the local Councillors and residents who have not yet been consulted by the club probably!
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magic8ball

« Reply #24 on: Thursday, December 14, 2006, 11:26:06 »

I sounded a bit harsh then.

No offence intended.
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« Reply #25 on: Thursday, December 14, 2006, 11:30:35 »

sharky. are you a member of the board or something cos it seems only people closely connected to the board can't see past there blinkers that this take over would benefit the club.

Please inform us 10 year olds how the board have improved stfc over the last 5 years??

how they have missed payment after payment (cva/wages/VAT)

how we have sold Parkin, Fallon, Wise (compo), £1.2m investment from Power yet we still can't pay the fucking CVA.

Where's the money gone?Huh?

the current board are are about as useful as the cardboard cut outs on the stratton bank

get fucking rid asap.
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« Reply #26 on: Thursday, December 14, 2006, 11:31:35 »

Why do so many people not believe that Mr Wilkes and co do not know the facts.

I agree with Sharky that the childish personal comments have no place in these debates, but to say that "the full facts" are not known by the fans consortium is crazy.
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« Reply #27 on: Thursday, December 14, 2006, 11:32:02 »

Here here

They are desperate to hang on, if Roman Abromovich came in they would not be interested.

It is because they have so much to hide....
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« Reply #28 on: Thursday, December 14, 2006, 11:39:55 »

Spin Spin Spin

Fuck me the Adver even rolled Willie out again !
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« Reply #29 on: Thursday, December 14, 2006, 11:42:41 »

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Here here

They are desperate to hang on, if Roman Abromovich came in they would not be interested.

It is because they have so much to hide....


Absoloutly

And I think it's high time that some of the facts came out in to the public domain
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