people make up your minds

[DV]

VD in being right shocker!

Arriba - It would seem that SBC dosnt want to lose "green space" which includes the cricket pitch and athletics track. I'd imagin the the club are reworking the proposals to incclude apartment blocks rather than houses ie build up rather than out.

if that is the case where will the appartments, hotel,shops and leisure facilitys go,that were all mentioned previously.
just proves the board make things up as they go along if what you say is true.
without redeveloping the athletics and cricket club sites there is little room is there.
its fucking ridiculous

Lets think, we have the car park to build on, we can extend the Nationwide stand back over the green behind it. There is room to extend the North Stand. We can increase the hight of the town end to match that of the Nationwide. I believe there is another concourse(?!?) of the Nationwide not even used.

Plus we have 4 pretty empty corners. Leyton Orient have just got permission to re-developed their ground. To raise the money they are building apartment blocks on the corners of their stands. Bristol Rovers are planning to have low key student housing actually in their stands....its all possible.....thrashing out exact details is beyond me but it is possible....

[Batch]

That's quite an interesting post DV. I'd have nnever though of incorperating flats, etc, within the current CG footprint.

It shows  that it is impossible to say whether the plans are completely unworkable twoddle or not. We haven't seen them as they are happening behind the scenes.

[Arriba]

i am going on what has been in the local press and on the radio.
devlin said about redevoping the whole area, or did i dream it all up?
if what you say is true where the fuck is the money for a new ground going to come from then? its a fucking shambles aint it.
i dont blame the cricket and athletics clubs for being pissed off and the council were sure to reject it anyway,but the fact is the board of stfc were relying on developing the whole site.
thats what my original post was about as its a fucking joke,and that is what stfc have become

[Piemonte]

i am going on what has been in the local press and on the radio.
devlin said about redevoping the whole area, or did i dream it all up?
if what you say is true where the fuck is the money for a new ground going to come from then? its a fucking shambles aint it.
i dont blame the cricket and athletics clubs for being pissed off and the council were sure to reject it anyway,but the fact is the board of stfc were relying on developing the whole site.
thats what my original post was about as its a fucking joke,and that is what stfc have become

so whats actually your point?

You seem pissed off and are just looking for something or someone to blame without examining any of the facts

[RobertT]

Arriba, the money would still be raised through sale of residential development.

The clubs original proposals did include the whole site, Council look unlikely to budge on their demand that anything beyond the Arkells can't be touched, as you say.

Developing on the current plot though is still viable.  The clubs original proposal was for housing (fairly well spaced out housing as well) not appartments.

Recent developments or proposals from other clubs suggest Appartments are an alternative form of funding when space is tight - Orient raised £7m from corner developments on the ground, Norwich sold a plot of land for £6m to build Appartments on and Rovers have cubmitted £16m-£20m proposals financed solely by developing flats on site (in much less space than we have).

The good news is that Orient lease their ground from the Council, so a blueprint does exist to finance a Council owned stadium via onsite development.

Local residents are generally less worried about a development that doesn't infringe on the Cricket Pitch, Athletics and Extension.

Councillors are less worried about land giveaway because it can be used within the term of the lease the club would hold.

An opportunity may also exist to move a large chunk of the Oasis facilities into the development, which would also garner support from the Council.

Basically, the plot available is still able to support a development of substantial size (in financial terms) and it's possible to hazard a guess that around £15-£20m could be realised from the site we are allowed to use.  It would involve the proposals being changed, yes, but the club have expressed publicily that they would be willing to do so.

[Cookie]

I am dubious about making enough money from a development on the current stadium footprint but I am happy to be proved wrong.

What i don't understand is the land ownership situation. Will the Council still own the site and therefore still charge rent to the club? Will it be a partnership where club and council profit share and thus no rent paid? Will the club purchase the land off of the Council prior to development?

[Narbs]

i dont give a flying fuck who agrees with me or not.
dv85's post is not accurate and neither is yours narbs i'm afraid.
do you honestly think that the club will find money  to redevelop the current site without redeveloping the cricket and athletics clubs first to fund it?
as for devlin he is the boards mouthpeice and their employee,he will say what they want him to.
 narbs you are one of the many misguided idiots that the board love.

Fuck you Arriba, Ive supported this club for over 20 years good and bad times  more bad than good.  Times arent good at the moment but a motormouth like you aint helping fuck all, also I aint gonna stand by and watch some ignorant shit like you start getting personal when you have facts that Im a misguided idiot then let me know like everything else you have written get facts ,  Im entitled to my opinion and views if you dont like them hard shit thats life but dont bother trying to get personal.


virtually everything you have said is your opinion there is no fact whatsover it is speculation putting together pieces of info you have read in the press ( shit you may well have a bit of a brain if you read, Im suprised)

Fucking hell you are boring arent you!!!

so just to confirm my view arriba
You have an opinion you are entitled to it as is everybody but dont start fucking shouting your mouth off as you dont like what you are hearing.


p.s I feel just as childish as you are at the moment for getting as many swear words in a post as possible.  

[Arriba]

i am going on what has been in the local press and on the radio.
devlin said about redevoping the whole area, or did i dream it all up?
if what you say is true where the fuck is the money for a new ground going to come from then? its a fucking shambles aint it.
i dont blame the cricket and athletics clubs for being pissed off and the council were sure to reject it anyway,but the fact is the board of stfc were relying on developing the whole site.
thats what my original post was about as its a fucking joke,and that is what stfc have become

so whats actually your point?

You seem pissed off and are just looking for something or someone to blame without examining any of the facts

i can only go on what i read and listen to.it seems to me that the board are coming up with unworkable proposals time and time again,then when they are rejected they go back to the drawing board and start again.all this while the team which is the main issue is falling apart.
so yes i'm pissed off.
a new ground however its funded with a basement team playing in it is crazy.
football should come first,can we guarantee that it does?
thats my point!

[Piemonte]

i am going on what has been in the local press and on the radio.
devlin said about redevoping the whole area, or did i dream it all up?
if what you say is true where the fuck is the money for a new ground going to come from then? its a fucking shambles aint it.
i dont blame the cricket and athletics clubs for being pissed off and the council were sure to reject it anyway,but the fact is the board of stfc were relying on developing the whole site.
thats what my original post was about as its a fucking joke,and that is what stfc have become

so whats actually your point?

You seem pissed off and are just looking for something or someone to blame without examining any of the facts

i can only go on what i read and listen to.it seems to me that the board are coming up with unworkable proposals time and time again,then when they are rejected they go back to the drawing board and start again.all this while the team which is the main issue is falling apart.
so yes i'm pissed off.
a new ground however its funded with a basement team playing in it is crazy.
football should come first,can we guarantee that it does?thats my point!

Then you need to read more.

You're just not getting the point of the new ground thing are you? IF IMPLEMENTED PROPERLY IT WILL MAKE MONEY ON NON MATCHDAYS WHICH WOULD ENABLE THE CLUB TO INVEST IN THE PLAYING SQUAD. WE LOSE £750k A SEASON CURRENTLY, EVEN WITH OUR PITIFUL WAGE BUDGET

UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, AND AS MUCH AS WE DONT LIKE IT, THERE IS NO MONEY TO INVEST IN THE TEAM UNLESS A MIRACLE HAPPENS.

that is all :agree:

[Arriba]

i dont give a flying fuck who agrees with me or not.
dv85's post is not accurate and neither is yours narbs i'm afraid.
do you honestly think that the club will find money  to redevelop the current site without redeveloping the cricket and athletics clubs first to fund it?
as for devlin he is the boards mouthpeice and their employee,he will say what they want him to.
 narbs you are one of the many misguided idiots that the board love.

Fuck you Arriba, Ive supported this club for over 20 years good and bad times  more bad than good.  Times arent good at the moment but a motormouth like you aint helping fuck all, also I aint gonna stand by and watch some ignorant shit like you start getting personal when you have facts that Im a misguided idiot then let me know like everything else you have written get facts ,  Im entitled to my opinion and views if you dont like them hard shit thats life but dont bother trying to get personal.


virtually everything you have said is your opinion there is no fact whatsover it is speculation putting together pieces of info you have read in the press ( shit you may well have a bit of a brain if you read, Im suprised)

Fucking hell you are boring arent you!!!

so just to confirm my view arriba
You have an opinion you are entitled to it as is everybody but dont start fucking shouting your mouth off as you dont like what you are hearing.


p.s I feel just as childish as you are at the moment for getting as many swear words in a post as possible.  

so i'm childish for asking questions of the board,fine.
i'll let people read the posts and judge whos shouting their mouth off.
i still think you are a misguided fool.and being ignorant is something i am not ,but you are entitled to your opinion as is everyone. i just disagree with you.
no need to get arsey

[RobertT]

I am dubious about making enough money from a development on the current stadium footprint but I am happy to be proved wrong.

What i don't understand is the land ownership situation. Will the Council still own the site and therefore still charge rent to the club? Will it be a partnership where club and council profit share and thus no rent paid? Will the club purchase the land off of the Council prior to development?

As it stands the proposals put forward require the disposal of 3 sites to a developer for £25m.  The club are then asking the Council to use the proceeds to fund redevelopment of the ground, which the Council still owns.

The problem is the Council would be duty bound to consider the loss of space and how to best use any proceeds (an argument can be made that the site has little value unless used to fund the ground).

Alternative plans using just the site the CG is on (including Car Park and land by Magic Roundabout) would be less contentious as none of it is marked as open space and could be incorporated within the clubs lease (so the club would have a much greater right to use the funds to develop a ground rather than the Council using it to fund pensions for example).  It's possible that such a plan would be financed by the Developer who gets the rights.  They develop the whole thing, residential commercial and ground and get to make the profits on the sale of residential plots.  So the ground is developed using the residential contract.

[Luci]

the board can shove their stupid, unrealistic stadium plans up their arses.
cant people see what these morons are doing to our club?
scaremongering supporters about folding unless we get a new ground etc is a load of shit.
the fans of stfc have been shit on time and time again,the fools that believe everything devlin says are the type the board love,blinded by loyalty.
i would ask every supporter of swindon town to think for themselves.
look at the facts and compare us to other clubs.
personally there are too many questions that aint been answered.
these are some of mine!

1.do the board have the interests of stfc as their main priority?
2.why are we charged ridiculous prices for sub standard football?
3.where are the new proposed locations of the athletics and cricket clubs?
4.why is a 15500 stadium not good enough for us?
5.why were decent contracts not offered to last seasons squad?
6.how much does devlin earn?
i could go on and on but the above is more than enough for me.

Oh you do make me laugh.

You ask these six questions and as soon as anyone posts answers to them you disagree!!!  If you think you know the answers or always think youre right then why post questions you already know answers to!!!

I personally think that DV's post made a hell of a lot of sense and a damn sight more sense than all of your posts put together.

[Arriba]

i am going on what has been in the local press and on the radio.
devlin said about redevoping the whole area, or did i dream it all up?
if what you say is true where the fuck is the money for a new ground going to come from then? its a fucking shambles aint it.
i dont blame the cricket and athletics clubs for being pissed off and the council were sure to reject it anyway,but the fact is the board of stfc were relying on developing the whole site.
thats what my original post was about as its a fucking joke,and that is what stfc have become

so whats actually your point?

You seem pissed off and are just looking for something or someone to blame without examining any of the facts

i can only go on what i read and listen to.it seems to me that the board are coming up with unworkable proposals time and time again,then when they are rejected they go back to the drawing board and start again.all this while the team which is the main issue is falling apart.
so yes i'm pissed off.
a new ground however its funded with a basement team playing in it is crazy.
football should come first,can we guarantee that it does?thats my point!

Then you need to read more.

You're just not getting the point of the new ground thing are you? IF IMPLEMENTED PROPERLY IT WILL MAKE MONEY ON NON MATCHDAYS WHICH WOULD ENABLE THE CLUB TO INVEST IN THE PLAYING SQUAD. WE LOSE £750k A SEASON CURRENTLY, EVEN WITH OUR PITIFUL WAGE BUDGET

UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, AND AS MUCH AS WE DONT LIKE IT, THERE IS NO MONEY TO INVEST IN THE TEAM UNLESS A MIRACLE HAPPENS.

that is all :agree:

say a new ground was built,how could the club guarantee that other income would be forthcoming.
my frustration is about the demise of stfc on the pitch and that is my priority.
we as supporters can only hope that the board have the same interests as us.
so dont try to patronize me please.
none of us knows for sure what the hell is going on really do we,
our judgements are made on what we see and hear

[Arriba]

the board can shove their stupid, unrealistic stadium plans up their arses.
cant people see what these morons are doing to our club?
scaremongering supporters about folding unless we get a new ground etc is a load of shit.
the fans of stfc have been shit on time and time again,the fools that believe everything devlin says are the type the board love,blinded by loyalty.
i would ask every supporter of swindon town to think for themselves.
look at the facts and compare us to other clubs.
personally there are too many questions that aint been answered.
these are some of mine!

1.do the board have the interests of stfc as their main priority?
2.why are we charged ridiculous prices for sub standard football?
3.where are the new proposed locations of the athletics and cricket clubs?
4.why is a 15500 stadium not good enough for us?
5.why were decent contracts not offered to last seasons squad?
6.how much does devlin earn?
i could go on and on but the above is more than enough for me.

Oh you do make me laugh.

You ask these six questions and as soon as anyone posts answers to them you disagree!!!  If you think you know the answers or always think youre right then why post questions you already know answers to!!!

I personally think that DV's post made a hell of a lost of sense and a damn sight more sense than all of your posts put together.

they were quesions i ask of the board not a fellow supporters opinions.of course i'm not always right but i am yet to see any good from this board and our football team is rapidly declining

[RobertT]

arriba, your point is different to the way you argue it.

Ground development costs the club (the football club, not any property company set-up) nothing.  It has to be designed to fund itself - through property sales or land sale.

Therefore it has no direct impact on the current playing budget.  So your argument that they must spend on the squad rather than the ground isn't really there. The ground doesn't take away any money.

As for the ground making money, it will provide "opportunities" to increase revenue.  nothing more, nothing less.  More space = more opportunity to hire out = more revenue opportunity.  How that is then run is a different question, and one that the Board would be held to account over.

In fact, having a development ready to go could increase the budget because people would suddenly have something to invest in with STFC.  Just like a bit of land with planning permission, it goes up in value and potential.  If had a few million stashed away I;d be waiting to see what happens and might feel more secure sticking some it in the club if the ground development is a goer (in whatever form it takes in the end)