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It's 5.40 and I'm sitting in a hotel foyer in Leeds on my laptop. How sad is that?

Think we'll put in a good performance today and take at least a point. We will then all get confident of safety, until we play like donkeys on Tuesday night and lose.

Hotel's nice by the way....

I admire your optimism :)

Still, I'm not looking forward to this one.

Initially I thought we would buck our trend and get a point, but after Tuesday I don't hold out much hope

It's not sad....It's commitment!!

Has the view improved since last year, we had a view that resembled a building site.

 This one smells of capitulation..I'll settle for keeping goal difference at a reasonable level.

Cox has been banging on about another hat-trick for a while now so I am going to predict that he will do it today, earning him legendary status among the Town faithful as the first Swindon player to ever score three away league hat-tricks in one season.

:)

I think Supermarine have Oxford City today down at Hunts Copse.

Haha, a weekend away where you travelled up the night before and you still get up at stupid o'clock! Mind you, always time for a kip in the pub.

Think we can get a draw today, however I imagine we'll throw it away instead. 2-1 Leeds.

We'll lose. 3-0 I reckon.

Same team as Tuesday apart from Smith in goal

I wish I was there now. Just for the weekend away rather than the footy, lordy knows how smashed I got last year on the Friday. If we can put in a performance like last time that would be nuts, that was the best we played last season although we got beat.

However I predict 2-0.

I hope we lose so i dont feel guilty about not going

sadly, my main focus is on the teams around us and how they get on.

Yeovil Vs Brighton is a no win game for us.

Swindon Town: Phil Smith; Kevin Amankwaah, Sean Morrison, Gordon Greer, Jamie Vincent; Hal Robson-Kanu, Owain Tudur Jones, Michael Timlin, Anthony McNamee; Simon Cox, Billy Paynter

Substitutes: Peter Brezovan (GK), Jack Smith, Jerel Ifil, Hamdi Razak, Lilian Nalis

Let's hope Smith grab's this opportunity with both hand's and put's in a match saving performance.

Optimistic, heart says think we may nick a cheeky result but head says we’ll suffer to a last minute goal .

With safe hands in goal, I reckon we will concede at least 3.  :cry:

Just out of interest do anyone know how many we are taking to leeds.

Smith against Leeds at home made possibly the worst goalkeeping mistake I have ever seen live.

So now he gets recalled to play Leeds in his first game back - he will keep a clean sheet today.

Nah Nicky Hammond at Peterborough, that one was brilliant

We're gonna win this.

I can already hear the texts coming in about how Wilson is a fool for brining in Phil Smith as he's the worst keeper of all time from the same people who on tuesday text in saying Brez should be dropped despite being at neither game

i like what you've done there!

i'm going to watch rugby and hopefully miss the bestest game football of the season

putting a keeper in brine is a foolish thing to do, they're right

:D

I found that more amusing than I should have

i don't care if you're being sarky! WOOOOO go me!!!

HAHAHA Danny Williams says "Swindon have to tighten up at the back if we want to save ourselves from relegation"


Thank god we have finally figured out what we need. Should be safe now!  :nod:

Danny Williams or Danny Wilson?

Hahah Doh

massive gamble to pick Smith-hope it works.Shit looking bench though

cant get commentry!!grr! Whats happening?

brighton 1-0 up against yeovil

no idea if thats good or bad

Afternoon people!

depends on how we do

Rovers are on scarily good run at the moment!  I hope that is over by the time we meet!

3-0 up already away from home!

I would say good the more team's we can drag in to this the better.

We need a draw there surely!

Corner Town!

Ooh. I didn't realise it was so late.

what do we want more

yeovil to be dragged into it or brighton to go above us

Brighton are more likely than Yeovil to go on a run I would say with the recent managerial changes so if one of them have to win I would say we would prefer Yeovil!

Not sure I can be arsed to listen to this.

I'm going to go check out what the burning smell is.

eek, sounds like we have been a bit lucky thus far

but that would leave us 6 points adrift, lose/lose for us this one.

Northampton getting beat which is another team being dragged into it.

Brighton 2-0 up

puts them on 35 us on 36 (as we're drawing)

that would potentially leave Brighton one point behind us with a game in hand and a game against us they always win.

Cheltenham beating Hartlepool

But if brighton win they are 1 point behind us with a game in hand with the start of a possible run of wins.

Let's just hope for a draw for them and a point or 3 for us!

Or maybe not!

Cheltenham would do us a favour winning today too.

h/t.

So far so good.

Orient 37 - 40
Crewe 36 - 39
Northampton 35 - 38
Yeovil 36 - 38
---------------------------
Swindon 36 - 36
Brighton 35 - 35
Hereford 34 - 31
Cheltenham 35 - 25

I'd settle for that at 5pm tonight

link for commentary anybody?

has the house caught fire ben?

Nah.

Ever wondered why Queen of the South are called so?

Dumfries got its nickname Queen of the South from David Dunbar, a local poet, who in 1857 stood for Parliament in the General Election. In one of his addresses, he called Dumfries "Queen of the South" and this became synonymous with the town.

Orient winning :(

Orient 37 - 42
Crewe 36 - 39
Northampton 35 - 38
Yeovil 36 - 38
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Swindon 36 - 36
Brighton 35 - 35
Hereford 34 - 31
Cheltenham 35 - 25

oh crap

Who else is sat there just waiting for Leeds to score? I really hope not though.

I am waiting for an 89 minute winner off of Paynters left butt cheek!

crewe 1-0 up

Same here, watching the scores come up either against us or for teams I can't stand (Rovers, Franchise). Crewe now winning 1-0.

Damn, beaten to it  :D

Orient 37 - 42
Crewe 36 - 41
Northampton 35 - 38
Yeovil 36 - 38
---------------------------
Swindon 36 - 36
Brighton 35 - 35
Hereford 34 - 31
Cheltenham 35 - 25

It's not liekly to come of either foot or his head!

Go timlin. hacking it off the line.

Ooh nervy patch. played town.

I still think Brez will find a way to fuck it up.

what's the game like? i've just woken up.

Come on ref blow the whistle. I don't care if there are 25 minutes left.

I know the table looks bad right now, but a win would bring it all together. Even Hartlepool aren't safe yet.

Brighton 3 up

3 for the gheyers

Forster with 2 I guess he isnt injured anymore.

Sounds as though Phil Smith is having a good game (Touches wood).

i thought smith was in goal nochee?

is it 0-0

I know that. But i bet he still finds a way.

someone in a balaclava holding a rifle just went past my house on a quad bike.

no joke!

Yeah. But it's all a bit hanging on.

Leeds have a corner.

Hide.

J.Smith on for McNamee

is this us settling for a draw...

Are you living in Beirut Yuffffffff?

yep

brighton get a 4th

we need a win, not to sit back.

That and someone has to come on for him, McNamee can't play 90mins.

1-0 to leeds Beckford

that why you dont sit back with 5 minutes to go.

Inevitable.

tittybollocks

Cunting hell

oh well, another late goal.

thatll be the fucking pikeys at the gipsy site...

its weald you live at isnt it.

either that or someones done an armed robbery at carterton co-op

Clucking bell

fuck sake

Meh. I would have taken a 1-0 defeat before the game.

Another nail in our coffin :cry:

sounds like more defensive incompetence

Orient 37 - 42
Crewe 36 - 41
Northampton 35 - 38
Yeovil 36 - 38
---------------------------
Swindon 36 - 35
Brighton 35 - 35
Hereford 34 - 30
Cheltenham 35 - 25

No luck this season at all... Guess the footballing gods really have it in for us!

On the plus side I've just had been informed by one of my flatmates that I probably got my nuts in last night as I was last seen exiting Jongleurs in a taxi with a young lady. Superb.

even fucking Cheltenham are winning.

come on town free kick on the edge

*james may* oh COCK

Sick of it!

fucking wasted

4 minutes

the bbc website hasn't updated yet, i'm going to assume it's right

Can we have a petition to finish games earlier?

Beckford sent off

Is that really any good to you, given that you can't remember the occasion anyway?

Cue all of the whingers having a go because we lost to an 89th minute goal at Elland Road!

It's not this game that matters, it's the next 8 or 9!

I salute you young sir. Being that hammered you cant even rember if you did or not!

I await the stories that will be on here in 9 months time..... :D

Beckford is an idiot, always has been. It's not fair that a complete muppet is blessed with so much ability...

fucks sake we're losing

I'll take it.

yeah, but i live down near the old RAF camp/new business centre(s), the gypsys rarely venture this far. they're too lazy.

it was the kiwi farmer or his son i think

we've been saying that since about November.

all the games are important because they are all worth 3 points.

Id have him in our team without question tbh

I thought one was in Norway?

brighton 5-0 up.

we're fucked


dave: not at the mo, back home to try and find a job. i've sunk as low as applying to mcdonalds.

brighton get 5

we lose again.

And will we get any points out of them

Ah well. I think Wilson will be a good boss in League Two, and if we back him both with support and the board with money we'll come back sooner rather than later.

Well at least Yeovil are worse than us at the mo-Terry Skiverton,worst appointment of all time

No shit sherlock!  But we did not expect to get anything today!  

If we do not win the majority of our next games then we deserve to go down.  We don't deserve to go down based on an away game at Elland road.  Any point today would have been a bonus, nothing more.

Yeah nice one - you know exactly what he meant, so why even write that?

I'm just awaiting your post match "angry" rant now.

I think that means we've had 5 men sent off against us in the last 7 games?

It's no good playing well for 80-85 mins and then letting in a late goal.

Back in the Good old (Macari) days we always seemed to score late goals to nick a win or salvage a draw, because we had a team that were fit enough to last 90 mins or more.

It can't be a coincidence that we so often concede late goals, is it just that the players aren't fit enough?

Im resigning myself to the fact its League 2 next season. I look forward to it, some grounds to do i havent done!

Nah theyre just a bunch of shit cunts :)

I will start doing that myself if we do not get 6 points out of the next 2.

Well maybe, but are they only shit in the last 5 mins?
(or the first 48 seconds at Colchester) :)

Nah shit all 90.

Wouldnt have happened if Wise was still here, the pygmy little fucker

I'm hungry

so am i

homemade veg soup tonight with cheese on toast

i hope when we go down there is a stance where we don't just bother looking at the squad and the thinking of "we'll they're shite in league one, they're bound to be good enough for league two".

as mentioned in previous threads we need a cull and to build a team that would be capable of dealing with the rigours of third tier football and not bumbling along in the forth

good post mr b

Sorry for being angry that my team are sinking to L2 without a fight.

I know what he meant but I also know what I meant. For months we've been saying 'oh that game doesnt matter, the next ones the important one' we said it leading into Hartlepool and Cheltenham and we didnt win either game.

Doesnt matter where we get the points. A draw against Leeds is still worth a point as is a draw against Crewe.

We cant keep saying the remaining games are the important ones because we'll soon run out of games.

I dont expect many/any people expected Leyton Orient to get 9 points from Colchester, Stockport and whoever else they played but they did.

We have to win games (no shit) doesnt matter who against.

some of us don't want to make ourselves permanently miserable and angry about it so we look for any shred of hope, live in denial and look positively to the future instead.

i fucking hope that the players and management don't share your "woe is us" frame of mind

On the bright side, its a bleeding lovely day!

Second, behind Iffy Onuora

Another cheap option, is there a connection?

I agree with that 100% to be honest... Which is why I mentioned the money bit :)

FFS. I predicted wed get 1 point in the last 3 games. We did but could/should have had 4. That may be the difference between staying up and going down.

We MUST gain at least 4 points in our next two games. Anything less and I'll be at panic stations

It still doesn't change the fact that conceeding a 87th minute goal at Elland is not taking us down, it's the losing against the lesser teams that is taking us down, and we still have a chance to do something about that!  Probably won't but it is still in our hands!

Being angry about it is gonna change fuck all today!

If you are angry after Tuesday and Saturdays games I will join your clan and be included in the mass suicide!  After todays match I won't, and I won't apologise for not being angry today!  Does that make me less of a fan?

yeah, fuck off!!! ;)

That's a bit harsh I think. No lack of effort or ideas, we just aren't good enough. Certainly sounds like they battled hard today, and we definitely did against Franchise. Alright a few games we've been a bit lax but generally since Wilson has come in I don't think you can question the effort of the whole team, and it's certainly really fucking harsh to label all the players under that blanket as some have worked their bollocks off week in week out.

I do think we'll go down, mainly because even when we play well we just don't get the rub of the green and things go against us. However, it's not mathematically certain and won't be for a while. Other teams around us have started winning, but others above them are starting to lose... IF we can play like we do against the better sides every week, against the likes of Southend, Hereford etc, we will pick wins up.

This week was always going to be tough! 4 points from the next week is a must as we go into this run against teams around us, Yeovil and Northampton look like they're doing their best to get relegated

Instead of being angry lets start a ruck!  Bring it on!

Fight Fight Fight!

 :D

I have resigned to the fact we are down mainly so when we stay up Ill be ecstatic. 15 players are able to leave at the end of the season so as long as we can stay up, we can fix it next season under DW! Keep the faith!

nah thats too loud and proud...

I'd say 6 points is a must from 2 home games

I still think that 6 points are a must from the next 2, 4 points from the next 2 after that!  Unlikely I know, but in my eyes it's a simple as that now!

spoilsport....

If we can finish on more points than 4 other teams then we've got a good chance of staying up.

I predict a 7 match unbeaten run,only for us to lose the last 3 and go down

I agree with that, but obviously every point is vital. We aren't done just yet, but we are now headed towards the last chance saloon where the margin of error will be close to zero. If we had the two/three/four extra points from the games before the pressure would be less.

Anyway, enough of that, the point is we can still get out of this. Brighton, Crewe and Orient prove that 'dead and buried' teams are nothing of the sort until the fat lady sings.

I think we have more chance of beating Northampton away, than we do Southend at home.

But ultimately our season will be decided in the seven games after Southend, as I wouldn't expect anything from Rovers & Peterborough.

I still think we are going to stay up! We will get 6 points this week.
You "hope" to nick some points against Tranmere and Leeds away, but you cannot expect any. However against Southend and Hereford I am sure we will win them both.

Our position this time in one week, will be absolutely vital - not today.

Has DV posted this already

MM had gained 5 more points from the same number of games as Wilson, and was sacked. You normally get a bit of a bounce from a new boss, we've got worse.

If Wilson takes us down, then he should be sacked...

Sorry but we are relegated. Almost a FACT! We just dont have the right team or staff to stay up in this league let alone fight for a promotion chance. I wish i could join in with the little ray of hope that a lot of you are clinging on to but i cant. Lets face the sorry depths of league 2 football and hope with all hopes that we take that league by storm and end up champs. Or maybe even better still (i know its not better, but) a place in the play off finals that we win convincingly (we never lose at Wembley)

Sorry for being a miserable bastard but im hungover and i just found out that some balaclava wearing gun toting quad bike rider just shot my cat.

Malpas had easier games.

It was Sonic. He posted that earlier as a cover story.

did we lose? been in he pub all afternoon

On that note, ICT won again today and are now out of the drop zone.

yes 1-0 with 3 mins to go

no surprises then.today wont decide our fate

And we won our bets!!! I was almost panicking.

had a big loss in the week.hamburg drawing cost me

Wounder. I almost lost a wedge on the gold cup. Then on the race after where i was trying to win my gold cup money back. Never chase money.

Malpas did exactly at Swindon what he had done at Motherwell.  Once he took over, his teams made individual mistakes over and over again.  He publicly slagged off his teams for individual mistakes while not taking responsibility for his teams as the manager.  After his last game at Motherwell he ranted about individual mistakes.  He left, the same team improved and went up the league.

Since Wilson took over performances have improved, but the individual mistakes have not gone away.  Today, according to R.S. they didn't clear their lines because they were kackered after mixing in it with an in-form side, and then conceded the goal The individual mistakes will end, Swindon will win games before the end of the season.  If we had been in mid-table, we wouldn't have been bothered or surprised by the result, with Leeds winning seven on the trot at home.



 

 I'm not saying that MM shouldn't have been sacked, just that Wilson should be as well.

 

Why?

 For being no better than MM...

Reg, let's worry about sacking Wilson if and when we go down. At the moment there is still all to play for. If the players act how you do then we really are fucked.

we either sack wilson and the backroom staff, identify a new manager with a proven track record who can bring in his own backroom staff

or

we keep faith with wilson, sack the backroom staff and allow wilson to bring in his own staff



p.s. regardless, i really think byrne, williams and granville need to go along with a large number of the playing squad

wilson isn't going get funded so i agree with reg

Yep - its all about about your past record and personality though.

Wilson doesnt have his own backroom staff.

Not like Sturrock or Holloway who take the same staff every where, so even if we let him pick his own staff which we should have done when he signed anyway. I dont think he'd bring in anyone he's worked with in the past. Probably see who applies and who interviews well and the like.

Apart from Under Sturrock these coaches have not been able to get the best out of the squad. Byrne should stay in some capacity though., Been very loyal to us and turned down other offers to stay here. Granville and Williams can go though

Offers from where Gaz?

Not for me to say but other people on the site can confirm that, think it was mentioned before in a thread as well.

QPR and Plymouth, this was mentioned and made public months backl

has wilson asked for his own coaching team? or was he just happy to get a job again?
if he was refused then fitton has fucked up again.if not then wilson should be sacked.

Ah i remember now.

Still find it hard to believe though

Forgot if team names were mentioned or not.

It was asked when they did the radio phone in and Wilsons response was something along the lines of

The staff are on trial just like all the players, if they are good enough I'll want to keep them if not then I'll go see the chairman sit down and discuss who and what I want bought in.

Something like that but again a quick look through his previous, he isnt like Sturrock he doesnt take the same coaches with him anyway - so in that aspect he doesnt have his own staff to bring in.

sturrock did well here.so far wilson has been a disaster

I'm fully aware of that - we wont see a manager of Sturrock quality here for some time.

Sturrock has had success at most of his clubs, but when you say Sturrock you really mean Sturrock/Blackley/Summerfield

however, although Wilson doesnt have those coaches himself he's got a good record using different staff every where.

End of the day we didnt expect to get anything at Leeds, Does that make it acceptable? NO but we got to 87 minutes and gave a good account of ourselves apparently so lets see what next week brings. LOSE those 2 then yes... its going to be tough.

no dispute.see my earlier post

What really worries me is that we need to win 5 or 6 games from our last 10 and we have only won 7 all season.

That is absolutely correct we need mid-table almost play-off form now to stay up.  By this this time next week, if we don't have at least thirty-nine points, then it's going to be over, barring kamikaze Yeovil and Northampton.

1.7 points per game

thats a win and a draw every 2 games.

no defeats

Evenin' all.

This feels awful - we haven't even been destroyed this season and yet here we are. Who could possibly have any optimism right now? Yes, Leeds would probably beat us if we were top of the division but I just cannot see a way out.

Things are not right.

Defeat doesn't surprise me. I just looked at the table and it's looking bleak. We have 4 cup finals in the next 2 weeks now. They will decide our fate.

Apart from the Hartlepool game our recent performances have been better than anything Malpas served up so to say that Wilson should be sacked is way over the top IMO.  Bearing in mind that bar 3 loan players, Wilson is working with an absolute pile of dogshit that Malpas had a hand in putting together so can you really blame Wilson for the results.  All he can do with the shit hand that he has been given is improve performances, which in an ideal world should bring improved results.  Wilson has improved performances, so he has done what he was brought here to do, the fact that the results have not improved is something that he can do little about!  He can't magic up a winning formula even if he has managed to magic up improvement in performance.

IMO there is nothing more that Danny can do as far as improving the results on top of what he has already done.  Fitton and co. need to ask themselves whether they want to stay in this league or not, if they do they need to give Danny the ammunition to bring in fresh faces for the rest of the season and if necessary talk to agents to do that!  If they don't then they can sit back and watch Danny get unfairly lambasted by people already calling for his head.  Unfortunately this should have been done back in January rather than halfway through March when only loan signings are the available means of bringing players in.

When you put it like that it's a nigh-on impossible target.

Accy away next season. Ace.

On all this talk about Wilson does anyone think the 6 weeks it took to appoint a manager after MM left could be our ultimate downfall? Maybe we would have pulled away if we appointed someone sooner?

Possibly...

2-2 Leicester City (Good result)   
2-2 Bristol Rovers (Decent result - but a last minute equaliser)
2-2 Peterborough United  (Good result - but a last minute equaliser)
1-2 Walsall (Poor result)
1-1 Carlisle United (Poor result - late equaliser)
0-1 Crewe Alexandra (Poor result)
2-3 Yeovil Town     (Poor result)

I dont know. Cheltenham was bad we did have some good games under Malpas. Tranmere, Franchise, Northampton, Oldham, Scunthorpe - few and far between of course but I dont think its right to say they were all bad


The same utter dogshit Paul Sturrock had in the top half of the table before he left. Only one of todays starting 11 was a 'Malpas' player and that was Big Kev. Infact in Greer, OTJ and Robson-Kanu there were more Wilson players than Malpas players out there today.


Isnt that what he's paid to do...ok not be magic but surely its his job to try as best he can to find a winning formula.


There clearly is, we could win for starters.


Indeed, too little too late.

Spot on Deev-not forgetting the other 2 players that DW brought in and obviously has no belief in whatsoever

I din't listen to this. I've been in the pub all day and heading back soon. I take it we were shit.

I support Wilson
I support the board.
The players are mostly shit.

We may not need 17 points, maybe 14 or 15 projecting how the table is looking now.  17 points should be safety for sure.

For 17 points, 5 wins, 2 draws, only 3 defeats (Bristol Rovers (H) will be very tough, if Peterborough (A) are already promoted then that's the time to play them).  

There are four games that are going to decide the season.

Mar 21     Hereford (H)           
Mar 24    Northampton (A)         
Mar 28    Yeovil (A)
Apr 11     Brighton (A)     

Crewe and Leyton Orient are probably staying up whatever the Town do.   


 

They were cheap gambles I suppose. They wont be on much, I'd like to see more of Razak thought he is now effectivly our 3rd choice striker and he looked really good in that reserve game he played.

I now feel, probably for the first time we need another strike, like Corr. He was the perfect striker to bring on with 15/20 minutes to go and be a bit more direct.

Don't be a spastic DV. That no defeats thing is true if we had to get an average of 1.7 points a game from two games.

If you're claiming we need 17 from 10. Which means there are numerous combinations with different numbers of defeats up to 4 with 6 wins.

There isn't a hugely intimidating fixture now until the last day. Whether or not we can win them is another thing.... :)

Yes thats what I meant. If we won 2 games or drew 2 games etc etc it would change just about everything.

1.7 rounded up is 2...2 points a game is 4 in 2 win and a draw.

It wont stay like that thought, although 20 more points would see us safe.

DV, the same utter doshit that Paul Sturrock had in the top half of the table are now a year and half older (in some cases) and have spent nearly a season (since Sturrock) on a steady decline.  Confidence and that winning mentality is such a massive thing in the game and is bloody hard to get out of and when you take into account that the coaches that they were working with all buggered off with him, except Byrne, to expect them to just switch back on to the form that they were in under sturrock is just mad!

There clearly is, we could win for starters.  Do you realise how stupid that response sounds!  By saying that you sound like a poster off of Thisis or a texter to RS.  If DW could just wave a magic wand and "just win" he would be managing fucking Chelski in the Prem.  Come on DV, you know better than that.  DW can organise the team to perform better to allow them a better chance of better results.  Apart from lacing up his boots and doing a David Beckham against Greece, what more is he supposed to do with a squad that he has been given and the restraints that he is working with from boardroom level?

Maybe it is just me then, I didn't realise that this game was about turning up and "just winning", fucking easy really!  Where did I go wrong, I could have made a career out of this if I would have realised just how easy it really is.

Yes. But win - draw - win - draw isn't the only combination with which you can get 1.7 points a game. It' a very arbitrary pattern to pick out.

Just got back and hate to say it but we are as going down as we're just not good enough. Leeds were poor and we dealt with them fairly well but as always even when we appear comfortable we shoot ourselves in the foot and gift them a goal. How their player was left completely on his own I'll never know but he was and it cost us, as ever though our players didn't seem to give a shit and shrugged their shoulders and walked off.
We had a great chance near the end with 3 players on their own and one of them only needed to get a decent connection and it was in but instead they just rolled it to their keeper.

All in all I hope most of our players end up unemployed next season because if they don't give a shit about playing for us and getting paid our money then I don't give a shit if things get hard for them. Hopefully Wilson gets some funds in the summer and we can do a proper rebuild job.

On another not were we sent Tudor-Jones as an early April fools day joke by Swansea as he's useless and I don't really know what he is supposed to offer.......that said Timlin was dire again, one day we will see a proper midfielder but we don't seem to have one at the club at the moment.

I think we need 52 or 53 points to be safe, that's 17 or 18 points.

My prediction for the rest of the season is:

Southend (H) 1-1
Hereford (H) Win 2-0
Northampton (A) 2-2
Yeovil (A) Win 2-1
Crewe (H) Win 2-1
Brighton (A) Lose 3-1
Leyton Orient (H) Win 3-1
Carlisle (A) Lose 2-0
Bristol Rovers (H) Draw 2-2
Peterborough (A) Lose 2-0

Those results would take us to 50 points.

Most important games without a doubt are Hereford (H), Northampton (A), Yeovil (A), Leyton Orient (H) and Crewe (H), I predicted above that we would get 13 points from those 5 games.

I dont expect them to go back to 'under Sturrock' form my point is the players are capable. Sturrock had them playing well in a decent side because, well that was his job as a manager. I take into account it was the team he put together but at the end of the day its a managers job to get the best out of his players. Sturrock did that, Malpas didnt, Wilson isnt.

Throdson at Crewe came in and got his players winning right away, same with Williams at Leyton Orient so it can be done. I expect Brighton to win some under Slade as well.

You cant just blame the players for everything, Wilson is not working with a pile of shit. He's working with a squad that was mid table last season. The players are capable of better and after Malpas needed a manager to get better out of them. Wilson hasnt done it so far.

Iffy took over a shit team, he was left with a pile of dogshit everyone knew that. Thats why we gave him a chance because even if he was the best manager in the world he didnt have the players to stay up.

Wilson has the players if he can get the best out of them.



You said Wilson cant do anything more. I said he can, I never said it was a case of him being magic to get them to win but 'good performances against Leeds' wont keep us up. We arent winning games, so is there more that Wilson can do, yes of course us winning games 'is more than' good performances. How to get more out of them and how to get those wins is the problem.

This bunch don't know how to win a game of football.
The Tranmere game is a prime example, Wilson did everything right for that game, but they got absolutely nothing out of it.  

People laugh at the suggestion of playing Sturrock, but at least you know he's going out there with 100% committment. which is the same for Pook.

Luggy got decent results with those two in his team and with Peacock as a striker.  It's all hard to believe now.

At Crewe they got Marlon Broomes and a goalie built like a brick shithouse. They didn't mess about.

OK then DV, as you are obviously a man with far more footballing knowledge than our previous 2 managers tell us what you would do.

You have a squad of players, low on confidence, that are performing well but not winning games.  You are unable to bring in any players.

All you have to do is win!

Easy!

.....and that is exactly what Wilson is being paid to try and figure out. Thats why he's the manager. Thats his job.

Just got back in. I'm happy with the fight the players put in, can't be bothered to complain about anything much but.
Phil Smith back in goal, bout time.

Dear oh dear!

Now I heard both sides of the fence I have changed my view.

Sack the useless cunt!  That is our only choice!  Start protesting outside the County Ground that unless Jose Mourinio is appt straight away we might as well not bother!

DV I salute you!

On another note, hopefully I am fucking off to live in America so I will turn into a Tampa Bay fan!

I wonder if the fans are as fickle there?

good sarcasm.

Please quote as to where I said or even mentioned sacking Danny Wilson please. You cant because I didnt say it. You're reading what you want to read and not what I've actually put

You said, that Wilson couldnt do much more with Malpas shit team or words to that effect, correct?

I said I didnt agree with that because the 'shit' is the same team Paul Sturrock got mid table. Therefore there is more Wilson can do because 1. the players have shown in the past they are better than this and 2. we arent winning games.

Danny Wilsons job as manager to get the best out of the players and get them to win football matches, right now he isnt doing either which leads me to believe there is more he can do with STFC.

...BUT...hey I can do sarcasm to. Lets offer Danny Wilson and all the players 10 year contracts, fall into non league and accept it because, well its the best Wilson can do. Who cares if we never win again as long as Wilson is doing the best he can do. If that isnt good enough, who cares - its the best he can do we should all support him because we might be classed as fickle... :)

Still think we can stay up.

But these players dont tend to outdo themselves very often. No balls. They are boys really.

So I think its now about 70/30 that we will go down.

Didnt like the coppers punching young swindon shirter in the face.

Big downer comming back. Glad to be home.

Thanks for the compliment on the good sarcasm, I was trying my best! ;D

I didn't say you said to sack Danny Wilson!  Show me where I said that you said that he should get the sack please.  You can't because I didn't say it. You're reading what you want to read and not what I've actually put. (see what I did there!)

No, not correct!  What I did say was that Wilson was brought in to improve performances and that is exactly was he has done.  If you are telling me you would have preffered to carry on watching the performances that Maplas was handing out, forgetting about the results, then my views on your understanding of football will change DV!

I agree Paul Sturrock got them midtable, but that was nearly 2 years ago DV.  Whya re you living in the past and why do you keep bringing Sturrock back into this.  He is gone, his players are 2 years older, he is not coming back, and as you stated, we will not see another Paul Sturrock back here for a long time so why keep harping on about him.  You have already made it clear that you rated Paul Sturrock, and that you don't expect to see another Sturrock here again soon, so why are you expecting Wilson to do a "Sturrock" now?  Sturrock maybe a great manager at this level, BUT HE IS NOT OUR FUCKING MANAGER! and we are not likely to be able to afford or get a manager of that quality in this league again, so why keep harping back to him?

I believe Danny Wilson is getting the best out of the majority of our players the majority of the time and that is the best he can do with other managers players.  You can't just "get them to win football matches" (and this is the bit that you just aren't grasping!) You can get them to go out there and do the best that they can really do as individuals and as a team, but no manager, even Alex Fergie can "make them win"!!!  They have to want it themselves as well and with good guidance and management they will win.  You have got to bear in mind that we are having this conversation after a 1nil away win at Elland Road where the team that they played is player for player better than ours, worth more than ours, and has a Championship\Premiership setup behind it!  If Danny Wilson is not being allowed to make wholesale changes to the team, and when he is allowed to make changes he is not allowed to talk to agents then he is fighting a losing battle.  If the only thing he can do is work with the players at his disposal then I believe that he is doing the best that he can, because aprt from the odd one or two displays, performances have improved big time!

At the start of this whole "war and peace" conversation, I did not for one minute say that we should all support him otherwise you are fickle!  What I did say, and what I still stick by, is that this mighty over reaction is down to a 1 nil 87th minute defeat at Elland road, somewhere that, even the most rose tinted spectacled wearing swindon town supporters would not expect to get anything from in the norm!  Losing a point today will not mean we will go down, and I believe that Danny Wilson and the lads did everything they could to get the point today.  We will go down if we lose games against Southend at home and Hereford at home, and don't get some decent return from games away at Northampton and Yeovil!

As for accepting falling into non league, you sound like you are doing more of that than me.  If you don't accept that this is the best that Wilson can do then what are you going to do about it other that spout off on here?  If spouting off on here is the best that you can do then, heh, who cares eh?  It's the best you can do!

 :)

At least it's hot in Florida! :bye:

They were'nt very good. their goal wesn't very good. we were'nt very good. the ref wasn't very good. the pie at half time wasn't very good. their fans were'nt very good.

Is that what happened? ijust saw a mass of drunks running to the corner, followed by the police.

My mentioning of Sturrock is less to do with Sturrock and more to do with the fact his team is still here.

Sure age catches up with everyone but an extra 2 years, or even 1 seen as it was only last season isnt going to be the difference between a player being at his peak and over the hill, apart from in Peacocks case!

Now that wasn't my entire point now was it?

I dont know what he might have done. But the copper definately punched him 3 times in the face.

I know Leeds police have to put up with Leeds people which makes them pretty evil fuckers themselves.

Gave a right beating in a van to 2 of our lads last season, then put them in a cell with 8 Leeds last season. Charges dropped.

Some really boring posts on here by the way.

Not as boring as the last one!

Out of interest, where were we in league one when Sturrock left? I can't remember how late through the season it was. It wasn't that many games was it?

I don't think looking back under Sturrock really achieves much. Did the the same players have the potential to do better a year and however long ago? Obviously. Do they still have that potential? No. Why? Who knows.

Players aren't FM lists of numbers where it's just a case of dragging out a right formation and pressing the right button at half time. For whatever reasons it's becoming pretty obvious that the potential of this squad has dropped, and I'm not sure you could bring Sturrock back now and he could change that.

The police being leeds fans were probably just fucked off because our support was amounts better than their home support, which incidently only came to life when they scored,it was like they'd won the FA Cup - for about a minute until cuntford got sent off.

Exactly!  Players like Easton, Peacock, JPM, Aljofree, Sturrock, P Smith, Brezovan, Ifil, Corr, Joyce and Allen went backwards in the time period between Sturrock and Wilson, not forgetting the quality signings of Casal, Marshall and Nalis, so why are we expecting Wilson to perform the same miracles that Sturrock performed, bearing in mind that Sturrocjk didn't even have a full season in this league with us and only just managed to get us promoted from league 2 by the skin of our teeth with virtually the same squad!

DV is either typing like a madman, having a shave or has gone to bed!  It's been far too quiet for too long!  ;D

I dont expect Wilson to come in and get the team getting the same results Sturrock did. On the flip side I didnt expect him to come in and get similiar results to Malpas.

Having quality coaches like Summerfield and Blackley made a big difference especially Blackley who was obviously the defensive coach, Now we have planks like Byrne, Williams and Granville, i think the coaching is part of the problem and won't be resolved until the three of them leave which i'm not convinced will happen as fitton seems very loyal to them especially Byrne.

....at the fear of going over a subject that has been done to death a thousand times.

What possible reason could Mr. Fitton have to be loyal to David Byrne of all people?

Surprisingly no, we weren't. We weren't world class and nor were they and it wasn't a "classic for the neutrals" or a "great advert for lower league football" or any of the old cliches, but we held them off well and looked decent-ish on the break. We rode our luck a fair bit, and it wasn't an unfair result, but overall we didn't put in a bad shift today.

EDIT: Except for Robson Kanu. He was terrible.
And this is the real reason I quoted this post. 100% agree. Just wanted to fuck with your head :)

You don't put a new Manager in and expect results. That is what usually happens I know, but it isn't a given!  What you do expect is to put a new manager in and performances significantly improve, which they have, which in turn should improve results, which they haven't!  This is what I am trying to get across to you DV!

If DW has improved performances but the results haven't improved, is that DW fault? I'm not so sure it is.  Yes he is not immune from the blame obviously, but the players have to take some of the blame, because some games we should have taken guilt edged chances that we didn't, the board have to take some of the blame, because they could have made life a lot easier for the manager, and could have made decisions alot earlier than they have done in the past.

DW will have made mistakes no doubt, but to put this purely down to Wilson when he has not had the luxury of bringing his own players in and having a pre-season to prepare and coach the players is totally unfair IMO.

No idea but they seem to be around all the time like a bad smell that you cannot get rid of and it's about time they left as i think theres a problem with the coaching maybe thats why the players are performing like they should be.

DV, we know each other, we live near each other, maybe we should just go down the local and argue the toss over a couple of pints?

 :D

The whole thing probably would have been quicker anyway!

 :harshfunny:

Oooh. I'll sit and be quiet and listen if you buy me a beer.

As long as you don't start any fights!

 ;D

the messengers a bit too chavy for me :)

I understand your point but then I dont think the performances have improved enough. We still arent picking up enough points.

If we were say mid table i'd share your opinion of Wilsons improved the performances even if we arent getting the results.

Managers are judged on results and Wilson isnt getting them. When it comes to judging Wilson very few people will be of the opinion 'well we didnt win many games under him but the performances improved'

My point has always been we havent improved enough under Wilson and personally I still think the players are better than what they are showing. Its up to the players, Wilson, Byrne, Williams and whoever else to get another 20% out of these players because we're in trouble and it really is do or die, stand up and be counted etc etc etc time.

If you want my honest opinion, you think our squad is capable of better than it really is.  You need to bear in mind that this is the pretty much the same squad that scraped out of League 2 on the last day of the season.  Sturrock took this squad to mediocracy before fucking off to pastures new and now we are surprised that pretty much the same squad that only just managed to sustain a top end of the table league 2 finish, are struggling around the bottom of league 1 nearly 2 years later.

The squad is stale and needs a complete clear out, and if that can happen in League 1 at the end of this season then that would be brilliant because if we are talking league 2 then we could be there for a while because we will probably end up keeping players that would be going if we would have stayed up.

When the new board took over everyone though it was a new dawn!  Wrong!  The new dawn is this summer because of the contract situation!  If we are in league 1 I believe we can achieve quite a lot over the next 3-5 years.  If we are in League 2 then expect to be there for a few years at least.

This is not about the manager but more about what you believe our current squad is capable of.  At the start of the season I thought like you, that they were good enough to be minimum midtable, but this season has shown me that we only have possibly 3 or 4 players that are possibly good enough to be first team regulars, nothing to do with the managers, just the individual aspirations of the players themselves.

regarding HRK... i've only seen him twice but it's fair to say both times he's been one of our more effective players, looks creative and works pretty hard too - although doesn't track back much. these two games were warsaw at home and Franchise at home.

yet i often read that he's useless and lazy. is he really inconsistent or have i just caught his only two good performances?

HRK is mint.

He is like Christian Roberts on a good day, but left footed.

It is a sad fact that Swindon fans just don't appreciate a good footballer.

It's a shame we cannot sign HRK permanently cannot sign Reading wanting to sell him.

Get off your high horse michael. At the moment he has promise nothing more nothing less he was shit today

Since coming here he has scored more goals than anyone else. What else do you want?

Team work,tracking back half decent corners movement on throwings releasing the ball early. Also he has missed more than anyone else

So... like a left-footed Christian Roberts then yes?

Incidentally, my research since making the above throwaway comment has revealed that since he has been here, HRK is only our joint top scorer, alongside BP and SC with 3 goals in the last 11 games.

every player in our squad has flaws though.

i rate him too

Inconsistent, I'd say. I've rated him before today tbh when I've seen him - when he turns it on, he looks a good player, although IMHO tends to look like he's playing for himself rather than the team, but he just didn't seem at the races today at all.

this would be my only criticism of him when i've seen him play - he has a tendency to be selfish when on the ball, sometimes trying to do too much for himself instead of looking for a pass when in trouble

I was saying precisely that to my neighbour just before he scored the other night from doing just that. After that, I reflected I should perhaps shut up :)

I think its because we don't have very many (i.e 2)

If any of our players didn't have flaws then they wouldn't be playing in Div 3, let alone Div 4.

I was more aiming my response at michael saying swindon fans not appreciating good players

Why do some of our supporters have arguments with the stewards every away game. It's the same bunch, who go off on one, when told to sit down when standing on the steps. Yes, they do most of the chanting, but ffs, at least stand/sit in the correct place and let other Swindon fans watch the game.  Stewards are doing what they're supposed to do yesterday.

dont be gay.

what a tool

The stewards I was talking to at half time were ok, basically said the guys in suits were cunts and as soon as they weren't there we could stand up, but that they were doing random ejections. One kid got a talking too even though he'd not even been asked to sit down.

It's a stupid FL regulation, it should be down to the discretion of the stewards, if people are standing at the back they aren't causing an issue and should bbe allowed to just get on with it.

As for the game, as soon as we made a defensive substitution I gave up all hope of a point. I'd rather we put three up front and went for it. Better to get nothing when going for everything than to get nothing when going for a draw.

I had a great day, fuck the result.

DID YOUR MUM BUY YOU THAT TOP?

Weightwatchers la la la

This.

Ordering a takeaway! Ordering a takeaway!

...After half time...

How was your takeaway? How was your takeaway?

The best bit was that the same fatty was still eating in McDonalds after when our coaches went past.

I liked "Shall we bake a cake for you?".

Having just seen the goal on the TV, WTF was Ifil doing letting Beckford get a free header in the Box, he didn't even bother trying to mark him.   ;)
 

If you're really critical it was a series of errors that led to the goal.Vincent didn't bust a gut to close
down Snodgrass and Morrison lost Beckford.But why oh why wasn't Amankwaah on the back stick?
You could really tell the frustration in DW's voice in his post match interview.

I had a great day yesterday (bar result). I thought we were worth at least a point and it was a great shame that nobody could get their swede on the ball at the death.

Heres my view on the players for what its worth...

Phil Smith:  Didnt punch and caught the ball....great shout by Wilson.
Amankwaah: Very good in my eyes but went Awol for the goal.
Morrison: Alot better than Colchester...enuff said.
Greer: Steady as ever.
Vincent: A few dodgy touches.
Robson-Kanu: Wasnt at the races which was a shame.
Tudur Jones: If we are pinning our survival chances on this guy then we are down.....his Free kick near the end summed up his game. Nalis would of been better and that says it all.
Timlin: Wilson must have a pair of special contact lenses that prevent him from seeing Timlin...i have been kind but no more...he was fucking shite..fans in front of me weere cheering him for making lunging tackles but only when he gave the ball away...needs to step aside.
McNamee:  Played well but over elaborated (again) why was he subbed off??
Jack Smith 83: Shouldnt of come on ...period.
Paynter: Held the ball up well and won a good few headers final ball just short too many times.
Cox: Great wing play but unfortunatly hasnt got the ability to knock the ball in and beat his own cross into the box to score....therefore a waste of time and energy.

Wilson: Couldnt argue with the line up but for the first time i question his substitutions. We will not stay up by playing it safe and should of shoved on Razak for Tudor Jones and played three up front.
By bringing on a defender we fucked it big time.
Now is the time to chance yer arm Mr Wilson!!!

Losing to Leeds will not decide our fate but Southend - Hereford - Northampton and Yeovil will.

2 weeks to see if we want it or not.....


http://www.dailymotion.com/search/leeds+swindon/video/x8o844_leeds-1-v-0-swindon_sport

Lets watch Beckford get sent off again.......reckon hes in more trouble.

How many players have been sent off against us this season???

More to the point, I thought Keith Stroud did alright yesterday but is it just me or does Billy P get a freekick given against him for breathing out whereas whoever is marking him can get away with anything short of actually shooting him through the head? I get the idea his reputation precedes him as the poor chap must be infuriated by the amount of free kicks given against him.

Except Cox being tripped and no yellow card when he pissed down the wing.

Cox booked for a strong but legitimate attempt to get the ball. Why do referees allow defenders to do that?

Still a better than average performance from a ref though, and kept the game going.

I thought timlin played well. Highlight for me was talking to the young ladys in fluent french

Did I see right at the time, that Beckford gave the lino the finger? I'd forgotten about it till the Flash's post

you're just a fat specy bastard was my favourite.

got to say i felt a bit sorry for him but if you're going to sit right next to the away fans and mouth off in their general direction you've put yourself right in the firing line

Its not just you. Its like that every home game as well.

I was talking very briefly to a Leeds fan who was there Saturday and all he said was we did alright, keeper was good and that our number 11 was shit!

STFC_Rich will probably speak to him more tomorrow though!

I'm starting to think we must all be horribly biased, and are the only people who can't see Billy's constant fouling : /

Let's get Malpas in as assistant manager - he's going wonders at Inverness as they look like they are going to escape in the SPL with a great run of wins!!

J'Adore le asshole! :D

He gives as good as he gets in all fairness, but rarely gets the benefit of the doubt.

Just got back. Seriously....... ::)

The good:

We did OK.
Smith (P) played well, as did Morrison IMO.
Cox clattering Ankergren was well worthy of the yellow he received.
Beckford throwing his toys out of the pram.

The bad:

The result.
We got lazy for about 3 minutes before they scored. The players just seemed to switch off as Smith (J) came on, for some unknown reason.
Wasn't impressed with OTJ and Robson-Kanu.
Fatty flashing his moobs  :puke:

Overall, they deserved to win on the balance of chances created, but we didn't deserve to lose. We weren't brilliant, but far from shit IMO.

But stating the blindingly fucking obvious, 3 points is essential tomorrow.

I don't go to many Swindon games, but I went to Millwall and now Leeds this season.

Personally I thought we deserved a point. Leeds had long periods of domination, but we would have done fine if the service was good or even average. For all his running and control, Macca couldn't put a half-decent ball into the box. If the crosses had been better, who knows what other chances we could have made. Conceding in the closing minutes has become part and parcel of this season, and yet it still seems to come as a surprise each game!

I thought the Leeds fans were crap and the place would have been a library if we hadn't been there. The fat bloke provided the most entertainment in the 1st half - the 'fat speccy bastard' one was good, as was 'shall we bake a cake for you?', 'Ordering a takeaway'...the list is long. I'd never heard the empty seats chant before so that was another classic. Not forgetting the usual Swindon stuff sung throughout that of course just never gets old. :)

A bit of trouble at the end with 1 town fan getting arrested for sure. And what is it with the stewards and getting us to sit down? The reason why we're at the back is because we want to stand and not be in people's way!

Welcome to the forum, my personal favourite was 'ordering a takeaway' closely followed by 'weightwatchers la la la'.

They used the force, Luke.

Me and my friends came up with 3 pages of fat supporter chants on our coach home to London. Pretty sad, but some of them are classics, honest... (Before you judge, it helped pass the time!) :D