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« Reply #5611 on: Saturday, March 30, 2019, 16:03:32 » |
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Oh Russia again- do grow up. Absolutely nothing has been proven that’s Russia had anything to do with it. My original point stands. Taxpayers money should not have been spent supporting either remain or leave side it’s just wrong
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« Reply #5612 on: Saturday, March 30, 2019, 17:22:44 » |
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Why shouldn’t the government spend its own money promoting its own stated position?
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« Reply #5613 on: Saturday, March 30, 2019, 17:28:42 » |
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My original point stands. Taxpayers money should not have been spent supporting either remain or leave side it’s just wrong
It's an interesting point which at the time I felt shouldn't have happened, but on reflection a government has a duty to govern and so as a Government generally commited to membership of the EU, did have a responsibilty to explain to people that voting out would make them poorer.
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« Reply #5614 on: Saturday, March 30, 2019, 18:16:16 » |
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It's an interesting point which at the time I felt shouldn't have happened, but on reflection a government has a duty to govern and so as a Government generally commited to membership of the EU, did have a responsibilty to explain to people that voting out would make them poorer.
It probably won’t though- most of the scare stories have all been proven wrong- we had the same when we didn’t join the euro- everyone predicted Armageddon then. Try selling the EU institution to the 40% unemployed youth in Spain, Italy, Greece. I don’t have a problem with European people or the countries, it’s the EU institution I hate- it’s undemocratic and doesn’t represent the people- it’s just a gravy train for Individuals. Why do you think they’ve made it so hard for us? They aren’t interested in a mutually good deal only about keeping their club together
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« Reply #5615 on: Saturday, March 30, 2019, 18:24:09 » |
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And you clearly think that those trying to get us out of the EU are doing it for benign, pure motives. For the record Im not totally convinced of the European project.
But I will say it again and again. 17m voted to get out - there were illegalities in that. 16m voted to stay in.
14m didnt know. I do not consider that a mandate to spend 3 years shouting about the will of the people as if the only people who matter are those 17m.
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« Reply #5616 on: Saturday, March 30, 2019, 18:24:50 » |
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It probably won’t though- most of the scare stories have all been proven wrong- we had the same when we didn’t join the euro- everyone predicted Armageddon then.
We haven't left yet....
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« Reply #5617 on: Saturday, March 30, 2019, 19:07:19 » |
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17m voted to get out - there were illegalities in that. 16m voted to stay in.
14m didnt know. I do not consider that a mandate to spend 3 years shouting about the will of the people as if the only people who matter are those 17m.
Well put. The 'will of the people' line is designed to create the impression that there is a clear and unambiguous bias across the adult population for leaving the EU, and there is nothing of the sort. Replace 'will of the people' with 'will of 52% of the people 3 years ago' and you'd be closer to the mark. The country has been horribly split on this since day one. Neither side has a clear margin, which is why reaching a leave solution involving some form of consensus has to be the way forward. In any other European country, rival political parties are used to doing this...and they would have started this in 2016. Our FPTP, adversarial, tribal system is very much to blame for the mess.
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« Reply #5618 on: Saturday, March 30, 2019, 19:14:24 » |
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Our FPTP, adversarial, tribal system is very much to blame for the mess.
It isn't... the reason for the mess is unequivocally at the door of the Tory party.
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« Reply #5619 on: Saturday, March 30, 2019, 19:16:31 » |
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Well put. The 'will of the people' line is designed to create the impression that there is a clear and unambiguous bias across the adult population for leaving the EU, and there is nothing of the sort. Replace 'will of the people' with 'will of 52% of the people 3 years ago' and you'd be closer to the mark.
The country has been horribly split on this since day one. Neither side has a clear margin, which is why reaching a leave solution involving some form of consensus has to be the way forward. In any other European country, rival political parties are used to doing this...and they would have started this in 2016. Our FPTP, adversarial, tribal system is very much to blame for the mess.
You can blame the remianers for the mess, they refuse to go along with the democratic decision. If they'd won that result would have been final for ever. Typical socialists hypocrities, who bang on about democracy so long as its the result they want. Instead we are now heading into dangerious waters as shown by the 2 million protesters yesterday.
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« Reply #5620 on: Saturday, March 30, 2019, 19:26:10 » |
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My original point stands. Taxpayers money should not have been spent supporting either remain or leave side it’s just wrong
Agree with you there, my point was in response to your claim about the equal lack of transparency for both sides, which was untrue
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« Reply #5621 on: Saturday, March 30, 2019, 19:28:08 » |
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You can blame the remianers for the mess, they refuse to go along with the democratic decision. If they'd won that result would have been final for ever. Typical socialists hypocrities, who bang on about democracy so long as its the result they want. Instead we are now heading into dangerious waters as shown by the 2 million protesters yesterday.
Ken, you voted for this nonsense. I wanted nothing to do with it, and voted against. This is your Brexit, not mine. Time you started to own the mess that you caused.
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« Reply #5622 on: Saturday, March 30, 2019, 19:30:02 » |
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You can blame the remianers for the mess, they refuse to go along with the democratic decision. If they'd won that result would have been final for ever. Typical socialists hypocrities, who bang on about democracy so long as its the result they want. Instead we are now heading into dangerious waters as shown by the 2 million protesters yesterday.
didn't know there were that many white men still left in the UK, SRK. Mustn't grumble, eh?
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« Reply #5624 on: Saturday, March 30, 2019, 19:39:32 » |
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It probably won’t though- most of the scare stories have all been proven wrong- we had the same when we didn’t join the euro- everyone predicted Armageddon then. Euro scare stories? The odious, smirking MEP pension scrounger from Sevenoaks Public School (with an attendance record worse than some of our worst democratically ennobled Lords) insulted the Euro Parliament on the marking of the 10th anniversary of the Euro. Classlessly laughing that the currency would be dead before another 10 years was out. More Brexitist Project Fear. Even Diane Abbott could count the 11 years that followed.
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