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« Reply #525 on: Sunday, October 29, 2023, 15:38:29 »

Until we slip down the league table!
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« Reply #526 on: Sunday, October 29, 2023, 15:40:38 »

I don’t want to be a sustainable club if it means having a Crewe/Harrogate/Sutton type budget. There’s got to be some middle ground. Nobody is expecting us to compete with the likes of Wrexham in the market but I don’t think a top 7 budget is too much to ask.


We can be sustainable on our crowds and ticket prices and have a top 7 budget which we clearly don't have. It doesn't add up and the trust should be trying to get to the bottom of it. This season is in danger of becoming a colossal failure simply because the bucket hatted aussie fraud isn't delivering the competitive budget he promised.

We have a decent manager and some decent players but stopped short of providing an actual squad. As soon as we played two games a week the wheels have come off. All before the clocks changed as someone above said.

Abysmal and not what we deserve.
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« Reply #527 on: Sunday, October 29, 2023, 15:40:57 »

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Reducing the budget has the not surprising knock on effect of reducing the number of paying fans.

the circle of decline.

But I would say our fans base has been remarkably resistant to mediocre results. credit to them

Will they continue to be. I make no predictions as I thought we'd lose far more than we did this season.
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« Reply #528 on: Sunday, October 29, 2023, 15:42:48 »

Unless your Newcastle, PSG, Man City with monopoly money, you have to budget and live within your means.  

Yes please. I would very much like a budget that looks like it lives within our means and not a lower League two side like Accrington Stanley. Please and thank you.
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« Reply #529 on: Sunday, October 29, 2023, 15:43:27 »

Trouble is we’ve gone from being prolific scorers despite offering up numerous chances to being a little toothless whilst still offering up those chances.
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« Reply #530 on: Sunday, October 29, 2023, 15:44:42 »

Yes please. I would very much like a budget that looks like it lives within our means and not a lower League two side like Accrington Stanley. Please and thank you.
Mike Ashley was supposedly at Reading yesterday. They’ll be down anongst the dead men with us next season.
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« Reply #531 on: Sunday, October 29, 2023, 15:45:02 »

Who is to say the budget isn't competitive ?  If you read back through numerous Flynn interviews, he has consistantly said that he wants to sign the right type of player for the right money.  Maybe he is a man of his word and isn't wasting money for the sheer hell of it.  Hopefully this will benefit us in future transfer windows (assuming this unspent money is unavailable).



We have multiple kids who've not taken their GCSEs yet filing the bench. Anyone with a fully functioning set of eyes and a brain says it isn't competetive.

I'm not sure if this is just being gullible or an eagerness to bootlick.
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« Reply #532 on: Sunday, October 29, 2023, 15:46:22 »

we are told we aren't living with our means

Which makes it even more laughable.

Some people will believe anything.
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« Reply #533 on: Sunday, October 29, 2023, 15:46:30 »

The fact that we make losses every year (except for 2022) would indicate that the revenue we generate does not cover the day to day costs. As a result Swindon need to cut overheads accordingly to break even. The easiest way to do this is buy reducing wages (hence playing budget).


oooh oooh. Mr manc... he started it this time.

According to the AB Q&A we've not reduced this ongoing loss over the last year.

so yeah . Clem does have to cover it, or we go backwards

unless we have a pathetic squad next year of course

That's if you believe a word of those minutes of course.
I guess the big question when talking about loss making is what exactly is included in the £2.3m of admin expenses. It’s a big value with very little detail as to what it contains and we all know what admin expenses covered in the Diamandis days.
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« Reply #534 on: Sunday, October 29, 2023, 15:48:46 »

If Swindon were in the premiership now (ie like Luton), fans would still complain that things could always be better.  

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« Reply #535 on: Sunday, October 29, 2023, 15:50:32 »

Again, are your privvy to Swindon's finances? 

Well we (the trust) are supposed to be but we're still waiting. Another Clem empty promise/lie.
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« Reply #536 on: Sunday, October 29, 2023, 15:54:46 »

I would personally never expect any chairman to be open and upfront about budgets with fans and the outside public.  This could impact our ability to sign players, negotiations when we sell players etc.

Its Clem's job to get bums on seats.

You are right that for business reasons there must be a degree of circumspection around the actual details of budgets. But no one has been questioning that.

Clem has taken over the club promising a new era of transparency, in conjunction with the Trust. Since then, without detail being required, he has not been open about paying down debt and/or the ownership of the club and the claim as to the availability of a "competitive budget" has looked liked the trickiest of sales puff.

Anyone can "sell" something by claiming candour and then hiding the reality of their product or service.  Once.  

If Clem's job is to get "bums on seats", then how would you read the trends and judge him to date?  

Clem well knows that pitch performance is a factor there.  As is budget. But you can motivate support in other ways too if there is a project, a story, a journey with which people want to get involved.  If it is 100% genuine.

Fans at all levels are financially unrealistic.  And so are many at STFC.  That "surprise" is not a basis on which to defend Clem's stewardship.  I will judge Clem, like all other owners, on where they leave us.  Right now, we are  
emerging from our 2nd (?) worst finish in over 60 years of the 4 tier game, gates are starting to fall and there is a growing lack of trust in Clem.  Perhaps don't blame your customers?
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« Reply #537 on: Sunday, October 29, 2023, 15:56:46 »

We have multiple kids who've not taken their GCSEs yet filing the bench. Anyone with a fully functioning set of eyes and a brain says it isn't competetive.

I'm not sure if this is just being gullible or an eagerness to bootlick.

How do you know the composition of our wage structure.?. For all we know we may have a few big earners on substantial wages who aren’t cutting it. Those wages could have been better spent elsewhere ?  Are Morris and Co still being paid by Swindon ?

Swindon are a loss making league 2 side (just like every other team in our division ). What would you do to increase the playing budget whilst also ensuring the money isn’t just loaned from an investor or Clem ?  Ticket prices are already high and fans would moan if these are increased 

In your opinion what should Swindon do to strengthen the squad and how would you achieve this ?
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« Reply #538 on: Sunday, October 29, 2023, 15:57:01 »

Boring post alert….

We have won some games.
We have lost some games.
We have drawn some games.

Therefore, we have been competitive.
Therefore, we have a budget that has enabled us to be competitive.
Therefore, we have a competitive budget.

Can we please fucking move on!
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« Reply #539 on: Sunday, October 29, 2023, 15:59:21 »

There is no way a club with nearly 7m in Revenue can only support about 14 proper professionals in L2.  It's not like we signed a bunch of L1 wannabe's on high wages.  To me, it has to be the case that money is being used elsewhere, and maybe for good reason.

Getting an accurate picture of a L2 salary is tricky, but perceived wisdom has it around the 100k a year mark.  If that was the case, even holding an average sized squad of average ability, you'd struggle to see us spending enough with what we have on the books.  Nothing about our squad says it has top seven funding.

Genuinely wonder if some are being facetious saying that this isn't obvious.
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