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« on: Thursday, November 25, 2021, 14:59:05 »

I see Charlie Wyke of Wigan collapsed during training earlier in the week and John Fleck did during the game for Sheffield United on Tuesday night.
Obviously with Sergio AgŁero and Christian Eriksen happening over the last few months too, is it becoming more of a regular occurrence or are we just hearing about it more.

What do we think is causing it, if it is happening more?
I donít for a second think itís vaccine related, but wouldnít be surprised if it was Covid related with it having an affect on the body many doctors and scientistís still donít understand
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« Reply #1 on: Thursday, November 25, 2021, 15:37:32 »

Think weíre just hearing about it more, when you look back there have been quite a lot of incidents such as Muamba or deaths like Foe and Astori.
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« Reply #2 on: Thursday, November 25, 2021, 15:48:09 »

Think weíre just hearing about it more, when you look back there have been quite a lot of incidents such as Muamba or deaths like Foe and Astori.

Those 3 incidents were in 2003 (Foe), 2012 (Muamba) and 2018. (Astori) That said there are other incidents which I was unaware of - https://www.straitstimes.com/sport/football/football-players-who-have-collapsed-on-the-pitch

The 4 incidents that Quagmire named were across a period of about 1 year or so. There was also an incident in Norway this month, a footballer called Emil Palsson collapsed.

I think the issue could potentially be a mixture of the two. Yes we are hearing about more incidents globally, but at the same time these athletes are being pushed and pushed and pushed to the limits of their abilities. Obviously you weigh in undetected health issues as well.

There is an article in the Athletic about it here. (behind a paywall unfortunately)

https://theathletic.com/2963733/2021/11/19/someone-collapses-football-pitch-every-four-days/
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« Reply #3 on: Thursday, November 25, 2021, 15:51:05 »

Those 3 incidents were in 2003 (Foe), 2012 (Muamba) and 2018. (Astori)

The 4 incidents that Quagmire named were across a period of about 1 year or so. There was also an incident in Norway this month, a footballer called Emil Palsson collapsed.

I think the issue could potentially be a mixture of the two. Yes we are hearing about more incidents globally, but at the same time these athletes are being pushed and pushed and pushed to the limits of their abilities. Obviously you weigh in undetected health issues as well.

There is an article in the Athletic about it here.

https://theathletic.com/2963733/2021/11/19/someone-collapses-football-pitch-every-four-days/

Not just football, happened to a few young cyclists over the last couple of years. I think sports science is helping people push further, but also sets off things that previously might have been avoided.
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« Reply #4 on: Thursday, November 25, 2021, 15:56:41 »


The 4 incidents that Quagmire named were across a period of about 1 year or so. There was also an incident in Norway this month, a footballer called Emil Palsson collapsed.


The 4 I mentioned have been since June, so in a very short space of time.
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« Reply #5 on: Thursday, November 25, 2021, 15:57:29 »

Those 3 incidents were in 2003 (Foe), 2012 (Muamba) and 2018. (Astori)

The 4 incidents that Quagmire named were across a period of about 1 year or so. There was also an incident in Norway this month, a footballer called Emil Palsson collapsed.

I think the issue could potentially be a mixture of the two. Yes we are hearing about more incidents globally, but at the same time these athletes are being pushed and pushed and pushed to the limits of their abilities. Obviously you weigh in undetected health issues as well.

There is an article in the Athletic about it here.

https://theathletic.com/2963733/2021/11/19/someone-collapses-football-pitch-every-four-days/
They were just examples, thereís many more. Iker Casillas retired after having a heart attack for Porto in 2019, Daly Blind has got a pace maker, Sami Kheidira had an abnormal heart rhythm at Juventus and these are just top level so stands to reason thereís many more down the leagues that either havenít got coverage.
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« Reply #6 on: Thursday, November 25, 2021, 16:10:23 »

They were just examples, thereís many more. Iker Casillas retired after having a heart attack for Porto in 2019, Daly Blind has got a pace maker, Sami Kheidira had an abnormal heart rhythm at Juventus and these are just top level so stands to reason thereís many more down the leagues that either havenít got coverage.

Yeah - I edited my original post that you quoted when I did a bit more research historically. You are right, there are more incidents however 5 in 5 months does seem a lot.
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« Reply #7 on: Thursday, November 25, 2021, 16:36:09 »

I see Charlie Wyke of Wigan collapsed during training earlier in the week and John Fleck did during the game for Sheffield United on Tuesday night.
Obviously with Sergio AgŁero and Christian Eriksen happening over the last few months too, is it becoming more of a regular occurrence or are we just hearing about it more.

What do we think is causing it, if it is happening more?
I donít for a second think itís vaccine related, but wouldnít be surprised if it was Covid related with it having an affect on the body many doctors and scientistís still donít understand

I believe there is a link.

https://twitter.com/muzzmunro/status/1463830475865210899?s=21

This looked pretty damning.
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« Reply #8 on: Thursday, November 25, 2021, 16:37:09 »

I believe there is a link.

https://twitter.com/muzzmunro/status/1463830475865210899?s=21

This looked pretty damning.

If reputable.
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« Reply #9 on: Thursday, November 25, 2021, 16:39:14 »

If reputable.

Olivia Podmore's death is presently suspected to be suicide.....

And no idea who 'Gianni' cyclist (no.45) is?
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« Reply #10 on: Thursday, November 25, 2021, 17:40:42 »

All I know is that Germany have reported a lot of deaths of young athletes post vaccination. Iíve had mine, Iím not dead, Iíve not been running nor tested myself yet. Apprehensive though.
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« Reply #11 on: Thursday, November 25, 2021, 18:02:34 »

Be interesting to see the pre-vaccine results for balance
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« Reply #12 on: Thursday, November 25, 2021, 18:40:10 »

Just as likely to be pollution. Or perhaps steroids fed to animals that we eat. Or perhaps performance enhancing drugs. Or undetected heart conditions. Or due to smoking. Or poor nutrition. Or perhaps alcohol. Maybe it is due to allergies. Or change in diet. Maybe the Russians have spread Novochok more widely than we thought.

What I'm trying to say is that one shouldn't jump to conclusions. But if you do, please be careful about stating it as 'fact' on the internet to impressionable imbeciles who believe the most weird and wonderful things.
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« Reply #13 on: Thursday, November 25, 2021, 18:55:03 »

Just as likely to be pollution. Or perhaps steroids fed to animals that we eat. Or perhaps performance enhancing drugs. Or undetected heart conditions. Or due to smoking. Or poor nutrition. Or perhaps alcohol. Maybe it is due to allergies. Or change in diet. Maybe the Russians have spread Novochok more widely than we thought.

What I'm trying to say is that one shouldn't jump to conclusions. But if you do, please be careful about stating it as 'fact' on the internet to impressionable imbeciles who believe the most weird and wonderful things.
As noted above I would be more convinced if in the sport I know a bit about, one wasn't pretty widely thought to be suicide and the other unknown by me or it would appear google.

Not saying it doesn't need looking at, but in cyclists this predates covid or any vaccination programme.

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« Reply #14 on: Thursday, November 25, 2021, 21:36:07 »

If reputable.

This looks like the kind of fear mongering bollocks that makes my clinical colleagues fucking furious. Especially those working in our ICUs where currently  every bed has an unvaccinated person who's been dumb enough to believable shite in it.

This is presented like it's a list of athletes that have died after vaccination. Five minutes of googling tells you that's not the case. It's just a list of relatively young people that have died in the last year. Which sadly they do every year.

Just looking at the first two or three tells you someone is loading this list with deaths that do not fit this context at all. Jalen Leavey wasn't a footballer, he was a 19 year old community college student and member of their marching band. Neither was his death an unexplained shock following vaccination. He died of a long term pre-existing illness.

Please can I beg people not to listen to the ill informed on twitter. There's a lot of people out there that don't seem to care the lives they risk to look like a smartarse.

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