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« Reply #105 on: Monday, September 12, 2005, 16:17:03 »

I cant make my mind up if he should go or stay, its a gamble that I'm not sure will come off if he goes, but then we are pretty shite right now with him . :?

If we dont win in the next couple of games i'll be joining the K.O.B. and in all honesty i think he'll get sacked.

He cant be paid any more than £100k a year (guess) and if hes got a 12 month rolling contract, my understanding is that we just have to compensate him with 12 months pay, regardless of when he goes.

Faced with 3,000 crowds or keeping king, the board will get some money off SSW and sack him. As for a replacement, fuck knows. I really hope its not Reeves/Iffy/ Woan as I'm far from convinced that any of those 3 will do a better job. Personally I'd want someone with experience, even if their track record is far from perfect.
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« Reply #106 on: Monday, September 12, 2005, 16:21:07 »

I beleive a fresh face will do the club, fans and players a world of good. It'll give the fans a lift, and players will have to start fighting for a place to impress a new manager. I really don't think a new face can do any worse IMO.
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« Reply #107 on: Monday, September 12, 2005, 18:10:36 »

Could an Andy King apologist please outline the disadvantages of having a new man in charge.If there are more than one(and I cant think what that one would be) I would be very surprised
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« Reply #108 on: Monday, September 12, 2005, 19:29:32 »

I must admit I'm pretty shocked reading the Adver interview with King today, which I presume has been lifted as usual from the post match interview on Saturday.

I can’t be arsed to listen to the full audio on the BBC site, but did he really come across quite so defeated and broken as he did in the article?

I didn’t think he’d go but a few comments there run a lot deeper than he’s ever mentioned before in circumstances I’d say where a lot worse than the one we are all in at the moment.

I feel a bit sorry for him reading that.  He’s an alright chap having met him but can play the tosser a little to easily at times and that usually comes across post match all to often.  Easy to see why he gets up peoples noses as a manager and person.

Personally FWIW I didn’t really think he’d go for a while yet even if results have been ropey however I have herd a few rumours, some more reliable than others, but nothing close to concrete that the board are getting increasingly fidgety and have held ‘informal discussions’ regarding his future.  

I’m begining to think it’s coming down to Bournemouth this weekend.   A loss and he’s gone or will be very close to getting the boot from a twitchy board

Think he’s going to pull a draw out of the hat mind.  He usually pulls something out when he’s under pressure (ask his wife) and eventually turns it around and I can see this being another one of those games.  The law of averages means that if he carries on shuffling formations and players around this week or very soon he should come up with something that resembles some sort of common sense.

For the record I’m anti-King but King-In at this point.  Should never have been re-appointed in the first place but I can’t see the logic in getting shot at present.   As mentioned previously, better the joker you know.

For now.

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« Reply #109 on: Monday, September 12, 2005, 21:06:32 »

I do think that if results don't improve King won't be given much longer. The idea that the board would never sack him is not true,  he has just always managed to turn it around at crucial points, something we should be thankful for as he has then gone on to prove why sacking him would have been a mistake.

I am grateful that he wasn't sacked back in 2002/2003 or after the run of defeats in 2003/2004 because otherwise that season would never have been as enjoyable it was.

I do believe that we are more than capable of turning around the form of the last 3 games but I feel we are reaching a crucial point and don't expect King to still be manager in a months time.

I only hope that the predictions that attendances and results will improve don't turn out to be wildly optimistic but I fear they will.


I've always said that the only way we will go down this year is if King leaves during the year and for the first time I think we may well get relegated now. I just can't see whoever's appointed keeping us up. Crying

I can't stand the thought but it feels like we're going the way of 1999/2000 again, it could have been so different,we were so close. My feelings would basically summed up as we are fucked and it fucking hurts me to say it.

I asked for someone to convince me we'd get someone decent in but no-one has.Sad

My opinion of what would happen  is a lot of people would odviously initially be very happy that King was sacked and in the short term attendances may increase. My fear is that the board will appoint someone useless, due to finances, not having enough fooballing knowledge to appoint someone decent and their past track record.

I expect most fans would then say well anyone's better than King right....but if results didn't improve and I doubt they really would attendances would soon drop off again.

My only hope is that the players we currently have would be enough to stave off relegation as we do have some decent players.


The worry is when the next manager is given the task of bringing in some new players. I just hope they are capable of making some decent signings on this kind of budget. If we get someone as clueless as Gorman that's it. Fuck I hope we get lucky. If it's Reeves  or Iffy then good luck to them but any more than relegation would be a surprise.

The thing we really need is some good news from the council to give us some hope.

Adje asked for the disadvantages of a new manager. Well really there are too many to list but I'll give a few and try not to depress myself too much.

Sandy Gray would be in charge of appointing the new manager. Enough said.

It is entirely possible and in fact highly likely that the new manager would make us do a lot worse than we are doing now.

It's odds on the board are likely to go for the cheap option, appointing Reeves or similar who really isn't suitable.

Attendances will only decrease unless results pick up.

We will be taking a gamble, not a small gamble one that could cost the future of the club.

Stay away fans will just find another excuse, probably the next manager. Fools like lifetime red will simply switch to moaning about the new manager after a week. Nothing will change there.

No change to our real problems, we'll still be in the shit financially, our chief executive still won't have a clue, the council won't be any less likely to block any of our plans.

There are loads more but I tried to stick just to a few facts. The last two are things that will not change but some people expect to.

Anyway bring on the new era. Sad
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« Reply #110 on: Monday, September 12, 2005, 21:18:18 »

Its a bit sad to see you giving up the fight BWB.....your analysis of the likely outcome of a King sacking is just about right.....in fact its unlikely there would be an immediate increase in gates, more likely the opposite as what happened when McMahon was sacked.

  That event was also followed by a relegation soon after....and its likely similar will happen here,  you can't just fire out 12 or so players and replace them with cheap alternatives and expect to get anywhere.
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« Reply #111 on: Monday, September 12, 2005, 21:19:45 »

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Its a bit sad to see you giving up the fight BWB......


Yes it is very sad.I think im going to cry. Crying
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« Reply #112 on: Monday, September 12, 2005, 21:28:18 »

That pretty much sums up why I'd rather we carry on camping with King at least until the end of the season.  

As much as I'd love to get shot I have less confidence in Diamandis to select an able replacement.

As mentioned numerous times he has a record for turning it around in worse conditions than this and I'd wager by Christmas we'll be sat pretty in 13th wondering what all the fuss was about.

Certainly there are managers and realistic candidates out there who could quite easily have a fighting chance of getting something out of this side worth watching.
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« Reply #113 on: Tuesday, September 13, 2005, 01:27:27 »

Well I wouldn't say giving up the fight, I still hold out some hope like Dazzza that we can turn this around, we've had some tough games to start the year and it is possible but it is tough.

Any immediate increase in attendance I would expect to be barely noticable and not the laughable 2000 above the average that I've seen talked about elsewhere.

Personally I will be absolutely gutted when King leaves 'cos he's halted our slide, very nearly reversed it and you never know whats going to happen next.

Sadly with most managers I can guess what will happen next and it's not good.
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« Reply #114 on: Tuesday, September 13, 2005, 04:48:32 »

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Well I wouldn't say giving up the fight, I still hold out some hope like Dazzza that we can turn this around, we've had some tough games to start the year and it is possible but it is tough.

Any immediate increase in attendance I would expect to be barely noticable and not the laughable 2000 above the average that I've seen talked about elsewhere.

Personally I will be absolutely gutted when King leaves 'cos he's halted our slide, very nearly reversed it and you never know whats going to happen next.
Sadly with most managers I can guess what will happen next and it's not good.


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« Reply #115 on: Tuesday, September 13, 2005, 10:34:22 »

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That pretty much sums up why I'd rather we carry on camping with King at least until the end of the season.  

As much as I'd love to get shot I have less confidence in Diamandis to select an able replacement.

As mentioned numerous times he has a record for turning it around in worse conditions than this and I'd wager by Christmas we'll be sat pretty in 13th wondering what all the fuss was about.

Certainly there are managers and realistic candidates out there who could quite easily have a fighting chance of getting something out of this side worth watching.


Agree with this, there is a lot of potential in this set of players and we just need to get the best out of them.

King stated some time ago that he would take a better job if offered one, equally he must expect dismissal if we could get someone better. However, as I said before, this should be done only in the close season in my view, so that every Club would start and finish on a level playing field irrespective of finances as far as possible. The playing staff would be the manager's and he would have to deal with them through the season, good or bad.

This would need rule changes and is probably full of holes, but I hate managerial changes mid-season and would like to see it stopped. Probably an unpopular view, but I  am a bit eccentric.  :evil:
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« Reply #116 on: Tuesday, September 13, 2005, 11:03:56 »

Why are you so convinced a new manager wouldn't get more out of the squad than King is?

Look at how much Ian Dowie turned Palace around after Trevor Francis (a so called experienced manager) and he had no experience whatsoever.

Who's to say a new guy won't do better than King is at the moment?
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« Reply #117 on: Tuesday, September 13, 2005, 11:06:22 »

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Well I wouldn't say giving up the fight, I still hold out some hope like Dazzza that we can turn this around, we've had some tough games to start the year and it is possible but it is tough.

Any immediate increase in attendance I would expect to be barely noticable and not the laughable 2000 above the average that I've seen talked about elsewhere.

Personally I will be absolutely gutted when King leaves 'cos he's halted our slide, very nearly reversed it and you never know whats going to happen next.
Sadly with most managers I can guess what will happen next and it's not good.


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Tough games?

Nottm Forest who are simple awful
Two promoted clubs
Three clubs who narrowly avoided relegation
A team the division below is in the cup
Last season 3rd place who we beat last season

Hardly difficult is it thus far, we still havent played the likes of Bradford, Brentford, Scunthorpe, Huddersfield, Swansea...it isnt going to get any easier..
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« Reply #118 on: Tuesday, September 13, 2005, 12:53:47 »

Southend are currently 6th in the table, Walsall are just outside the playoffs, as our Tranmere, Barnsley and Oldham are also decent sides and Nottingham Forest are also very likely to recover.

And Kinky there's no reason to believe they would do any better and nobody has given any reasons too believe we'd get someone decent but as I said I hope we get lucky.
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« Reply #119 on: Tuesday, September 13, 2005, 14:24:31 »

you can't just fire out 12 or so players and replace them with cheap alternatives and expect to get anywhere.[/quote]




Reg what makes you think 12 players will leave as soon as King goes?Or have I read it wrong?
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