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« Reply #1320 on: Friday, August 7, 2020, 14:25:50 »

You'd think the PFA would have consulted with the FA already?

Right?
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« Reply #1321 on: Friday, August 7, 2020, 15:02:45 »

Williams managed to achieve the worst of both worlds though, although he was trying the "style over results" extreme end of the spectrum, it managed to combine being dull to watch and ineffective.

Yet relatively recently you were saying players like Keshi Anderson, as I pointed out signd by Flitcroft, did so because they liked sexy Lukeball....

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as players they enjoy playing the style of football we played under Cooper, Williams and now Wellens.

which you now describe as ineffective...  Hmmm

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« Reply #1322 on: Friday, August 7, 2020, 15:10:31 »

Yet relatively recently you were saying players like Keshi Anderson, as I pointed out signd by Flitcroft, did so because they liked sexy Lukeball....
Anderson said so himself. Listen to the pod (for the 3rd time of asking), you can hear Anderson himself say that was why he initially wanted to come to Swindon on loan

which you now describe as ineffective...  Hmmm
Which it was.

There is of course a difference between what a player might like and what a fan might like to watch. It's not a wildly subtle difference but appears to be lost on you in your weird masochistic fetishisation of Flitcroft's anti-football.

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« Reply #1323 on: Friday, August 7, 2020, 15:13:29 »

You'll probably be able to get away with putting in something like a bonus for getting to the 1st round of the FA cup

We could put clauses in our players contracts payable if they get beyond the 1st round of the FA cup,  would save us a fortune.
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« Reply #1324 on: Friday, August 7, 2020, 15:14:17 »

We could put clauses in our players contracts payable if they get beyond the 1st round of the FA cup,  would save us a fortune.
There's a 2nd round of the FA Cup?
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« Reply #1325 on: Friday, August 7, 2020, 15:17:02 »

The more I read the more this seems a clusterfuck in the making, the PFA are already sounding a strike ballot and this sounds like something that's open to a legal challenge.
Setting aside the rights and wrongs of the cap, its precisely what the PFA should be doing to protect their members interests if they have not been consulted/involved, its basically putting on arbitrary block on their members earning potential.
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« Reply #1326 on: Friday, August 7, 2020, 15:19:11 »

Three current/prospective owners of Chalrton have failed the Owners and Directors Test

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/charlton-takeover-efl-owners-directors-test-latest-news-a9659696.html

According to the independent, it's not clear who the 3 are but would almost certainly include the current directors of East Street Investments who currently own the club. According to talksport, it also includes Paul Elliott who is claiming he is lining up a bid to buy out ESI and take over.

Charlton seem to have a matter of weeks to find new owners or face being the next Bury.
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« Reply #1327 on: Friday, August 7, 2020, 15:19:54 »

Anderson said so himself. Listen to the pod (for the 3rd time of asking), you can hear Anderson himself say that was why he initially wanted to come to Swindon on loan
Which it was.

There is of course a difference between what a player might like and what a fan might like to watch. It's not a wildly subtle difference but appears to be lost on you in your weird masochistic fetishisation of Flitcroft's anti-football.

So although you consider Luike's stuff ineffective, you're still happy to say players plural, not just Keshi like to sign up to it.

 
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« Reply #1328 on: Friday, August 7, 2020, 15:22:48 »

Three current/prospective owners of Chalrton have failed the Owners and Directors Test



Christ they failed it, are they war criminals or something?
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« Reply #1329 on: Friday, August 7, 2020, 15:22:53 »

The cap includes any bonuses, image rights, appearance money etc. So I presume, taking Doyle as an example last season, would have been on a basic wage, so much per goal scored, so much appearance money, so much win bonus etc.

This year every player signed from now can only get the maximum cap limit which will include any extras. So Doyle would now only get his agreed wage and no extras no matter how many goals he scored.
No you just use one of the many loopholes there will be. Load finances into bonuses supposedly related to the cups or promotion and hide it, probably wouldn’t even need to actually win a cup game to achieve the bonus.  It specifically states that incentives related to cups and promotion are excluding, it’s basically telling clubs how to get around the rules if they choose.

Setting aside the rights and wrongs of the cap, its precisely what the PFA should be doing to protect their members interests if they have not been consulted/involved, its basically putting on arbitrary block on their members earning potential.
Yep they’ve just released a statement saying they weren’t even consulted, and the cap is illegal and unforceable,  standard clusterfuck from the EFL.
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« Reply #1330 on: Friday, August 7, 2020, 15:23:29 »

So although you consider Luike's stuff ineffective, you're still happy to say players plural, not just Keshi like to sign up to it.

  
Jesus. Obsessed or what. Player. Players. Whatever. Flitcroft's gone Reg, it's over. I know you think his horrible ugly football and endless ongoing misery is all us lower league scum deserve and it's a mark of the genuine fan to be able to wallow in the misery. But it's gone. I'm sorry. Maybe Wellens will get poached and we'll get someone shit in to replace him, there's always that to look forward to.
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« Reply #1331 on: Friday, August 7, 2020, 15:28:55 »

PFA already served notice of arbitration then, that’ll put the whole thing on hold indefinitely.
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« Reply #1332 on: Friday, August 7, 2020, 15:37:18 »

Christ they failed it, are they war criminals or something?
It looks like the League are actually trying to enforce it, albeit belatedly after the Bury fiasco. Not a lot of use to Charlton fans though, as they let the takeover happen, then worried about the test 8 months later.

And speaking of Bury, looks like Steve Dale is still trying to wring the last few drops of blood from the zombie corpse of Bury FC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53696143
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« Reply #1333 on: Friday, August 7, 2020, 16:15:01 »

Jesus. Obsessed or what. Player. Players. Whatever. Flitcroft's gone Reg, it's over. I know you think his horrible ugly football and endless ongoing misery is all us lower league scum deserve and it's a mark of the genuine fan to be able to wallow in the misery. But it's gone. I'm sorry. Maybe Wellens will get poached and we'll get someone shit in to replace him, there's always that to look forward to.

This is about Williams.  Still don't let that get in the way of the chance of some snidery... I'll leave it here before you resort to personal abuse mode.
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« Reply #1334 on: Friday, August 7, 2020, 16:40:39 »

This is about Williams.  Still don't let that get in the way of the chance of some snidery... I'll leave it here before you resort to personal abuse mode.
But not before engaging the "defining the terms of the debate to suit yourself" and "weary martyr" modes.
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