Good Team Shit League/ Shit Team Good League

[BruceChatwin]

I think I'd definitely take being a shit team in a good league for a change of scenery next year, but would probably get sick of it after a couple of seasons and start moaning.

The futile purgatory suffered by Stoke fans seems the worst long term eventuality for a club.

It's an entertainment sport after all, not a watch them grind their way to survival this year so you can watch them grind their way to survival again next year to be able to watch them grind their way to survival again in the next kind of sport. If you're not using survival as a base from which to build towards something greater then I don't see the point.

[Flashheart]

Last season, in the bottom tier, was one of the most enjoyable and exciting seasons I can remember.............. and I wasn't even there.

[wiggy]

I would love a season in the Championship - getting there once would alter the whole mindset around the club - we've done it once we can do it again. As others have said, a bit of yo-yoing isn't a bad thing.

Also, I would love to change the perception of other people about Swindon Town FC, so they wouldn't see us as quite so tin pot.

[jonny72]

The futile purgatory suffered by Stoke fans seems the worst long term eventuality for a club.

When we played Stoke I was having a read on their forums. Was surprised by the number of their fans that would prefer them to play decent football and get relegated, than playing shit football and staying in the PL. Can see their point, once the initial excitement of being in the PL wears off it must get pretty boring.

[fatbasher]

When we played Stoke I was having a read on their forums. Was surprised by the number of their fans that would prefer them to play decent football and get relegated, than playing shit football and staying in the PL. Can see their point, once the initial excitement of being in the PL wears off it must get pretty boring.

Ah ha, now you're coming over to my "dark side" way of opinion as to one of many reasons why I won't get a ST in the PL, assuming we get there in my liftime. Cue burning torches and pitch forks.

[Peter Gibbons]

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[fatbasher]

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That's them, the fuckers. Got my stash of petrol to put out the flames.

To be really serious about this I know I piss some of you off with my posts but I do try to be objective and think things through. One liners are ok but constant one liners and abuse loses the point and you get ignored.

I remember the PL season like it was yesterday. We were cannon fodder most games, trust me when you see the negative posts on here after losing and even worse ones in the adver and then those drongoes on BBC Swindon after the games currently, you'll wish we were back in the Championship winning a few.

The constant dicking around with kick off dates and times will hack you off too, it's worse now than when we were there last time. The prawn sandwich glory hunters who will not be there the following season and the away supporters who have "loaned a seat" from someone who is just cashing in on the seat they bought and has no intention of using, trust me I never saw the same ppl twice in the two seats next to me in the Arkells. The old boy from Andover on the other side of my ex father in law disappeared the next season to.

The cost will be extortionate too. Only 18 home games remeber NOT 23, £19.50 a home game based on current ST prices for next year. 28% increase, now assuming we ever get there your £350 early bird would infact be £450 minimum based on current ground capacity etc = £25.00 walk up on the day £30? £35?

PL? Not the promised land. Yeah for all you young 'uns who were not around when Hoddle took us there it looks good on telly. Unless we have a significantly increased capacity and monied benefators willing to bankroll the then manager with the players needed to keep us there then I see another car crash.   

Be interesting to see what crowd Crew v Southend get at Wembley today.

[Peter Gibbons]

I'll go on record saying I'd be quite happy to go up, be cannon fodder for one season and then come straight back down again.  Why?  Because that means we won promotion from the Championship.  You saying you'd rather finish just outside the play-offs (or lose in them) every season Fatbasher?

[cheltred69]

Be interesting to see what crowd Crew v Southend get at Wembley today.

Seen reports that Crewe will take about 10,000 and Sarfend (first time at Wembley for over 80 years) have sold 33,000

[joteddyred]

Seen reports that Crewe will take about 10,000 and Sarfend (first time at Wembley for over 80 years) have sold 33,000

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As we all know it's an expensive day out.  Crewe were only there in the play offs last May as well, which might have reduced their numbers this time?

[Reg Smeeton]

I think I'd definitely take being a shit team in a good league for a change of scenery next year, but would probably get sick of it after a couple of seasons and start moaning.

The futile purgatory suffered by Stoke fans seems the worst long term eventuality for a club.

It's an entertainment sport after all, not a watch them grind their way to survival this year so you can watch them grind their way to survival again next year to be able to watch them grind their way to survival again in the next kind of sport. If you're not using survival as a base from which to build towards something greater then I don't see the point.

Think you may be doing Stoke a bit of a disservice here...they have been building, I was up that way last week and stumbled across their Academy...in Swindon it would pass off as an FE College...light years ahead of anything we could offer.  They've been in Europe and a Cup Final recently.

I'd happily take that sort of stagnation....it's us that resemble Sisyphus....almost getting somewhere but not quite then falling back again..now that is purgatory.

[RedRag]

Enjoy your posts, Fatbasher, but for me to lack ambition to play in a higher league is pretty sad. 

If you're not good enough for the league above, whether it be in the boardroom, on the coaches' bench or on the pitch then so be it, you're back down - that's football.  There is no long term safety about holding your position as a good team in a shit league anyway. 

Who can forget the Macari to McMuck years (McMuck's first two anyway) when we seemed to go up or down every year.  A few years on, under Sturrock I believe, we became the only club to have played a league game at every other football league club ground. 

The reality may turn out to be that we will always struggle now and have an elite 3,000 core support - but for now, bring on thosands of day trippers and away fans and prawn sandwiches even if it does all end up again eating pies at Spotland on a wet Tuesday night, we will have been on a heck of journey, once again.

[walcot red]

I'd rather bounce through the leagues then stagnate in one league like villa or liverpool

[RedRag]

I'd happily take that sort of stagnation....it's us that resemble Sisyphus....almost getting somewhere but not quite then falling back again..now that is purgatory.

I like Sisyphus, Reg - better than shrugging your shoulders and staying put, surely?

[Reg Smeeton]

I like Sisyphus, Reg - better than shrugging your shoulders and staying put, surely?

But our yoyoing is the Sisyphean condition. We stay put by going up and down the leagues..

Try if you dare a bit of Richard Wright's opus from Ummagumma...Sisyphus part 1.