Pollyticks

[Abrahammer]

Milliband is the most unelectable opposition leader since IDS.

Not sure any of the main parties will get my vote next time around, although living in the one safest Tory constituencies around means my vote is waste anyway

[cheltred69]

Until the property bubble is allowed to burst here, this country is heading in one direction, regardless of the colour of it's leaders' ties!!

As long as interest rates remain negative (real terms) jobs will keep getting outsourced, inflation will continue to run rampant, less spending, less jobs less economy.

Could all be solved with a bit of short term pain if the government stopped interfering with property prices and let the market correct.

But of course no government wants that on their watch, so they keep on kicking the can down the road!

The colour of party is largely irrelevant in my opinion. Just a bit of window dressing for us plebs!

Genuine questions to you:
What is the government doing to interfere with property prices?
How is this contributing to the lack of growth in the economy?

Surely the main thing sustaining the property bubble (and I'm someonw who thinks the market had been overvalued for 10 years) is demand (fuelled mainly by net inwards migration) outstripping expansion of housing stock.

Re inflation - it certainly isn't "running rampant" at the moment and the market expectations are that long-term CPI will run at around 2% p.a.

[red socks]

This thread should be moved to another forum. I don't want to know your politics.

[wigglesworth]

Genuine questions to you:
What is the government doing to interfere with property prices?
How is this contributing to the lack of growth in the economy?

Surely the main thing sustaining the property bubble (and I'm someonw who thinks the market had been overvalued for 10 years) is demand (fuelled mainly by net inwards migration) outstripping expansion of housing stock.

Re inflation - it certainly isn't "running rampant" at the moment and the market expectations are that long-term CPI will run at around 2% p.a.

What is the government doing to interfere with property prices?


You say this is a genuine question? Do you actually want to know the answer to this question - or do you want me to do the research for you so you can debunk it?

Theres a wealth of information out there!!

[StfcRusty]

This thread should be moved to another forum. I don't want to know your politics.

I thought I'd logged onto Talkswindon by mistake ... !

[Stevecourty]

This economy could be saved easily if the government had any sense. The thing that drives any economy is fuel and construction. Lots of housing associations are struggling to keep up with maintenance of old houses/flats so they need to sell them. Sell them cheap to the inhabitants getting tonnes of people on to the property ladder. Don't do it all in one go as the economy will crash but start with those living there for x amount of years then lower it over a few years. Then tell every housing association they have to replace those houses with new builds. The property market is booming as houses are being sold and the construction industry is fuelling not only itself but all the chains that are involved. Couple that with giving all work to British firms instead of out sourcing and watch our manufacturing boom. Large manufacturing base means more exports and GNP. Get all dole workers out earning there dole and stick prisoners in chain gangs digging ditches. This will lower flooding rates as water has somewhere to go and lower insurance premiums over time.

I've always been labour but won't vote for them at this time due to an incompetent leader and the fact that tony Blair destroyed this country. He knew full well it was going to crash and he refused to level it out he had chances but didn't take them and the clever git knew exactly when to walk to make it look like browns fault. Given a different time he would have made an excellent pm

[THE FLASH]

Like the Labour Governement. Sadly this government and the NEXT TWO OR THREE will be the unpopular fall guys sorting it out. Unless the electorate are that stupid as to vote labour back in again, which i am sure they will. 

I love u fat basher but you are deluded if you think any of the parties we put us first.

Labour couldn't win a bun in a carnival and might of well had Stalin as the leader however the Tories STILL couldn't win the election.....says it all mate.

I think I voted Green or something as a Mark of respect to poor fuckers around the world who cant vote.

People are sick of em.....rightly so....I hate em all.

[fatbasher]

I love u fat basher but you are deluded if you think any of the parties we put us first.

Labour couldn't win a bun in a carnival and might of well had Stalin as the leader however the Tories STILL couldn't win the election.....says it all mate.

I think I voted Green or something as a Mark of respect to poor fuckers around the world who cant vote.

People are sick of em.....rightly so....I hate em all.

Sadly I have to agree with you through griited teeth. I will be voting Ukip at the next GE. I know it will likely mean Wallace & Gromit get in but that will only be for one term as well.

[Peter Venkman]

I am tempted by UKIP as an alternative vote but know not enough about their policies as yet to make a choice.

[wigglesworth]

I am tempted by UKIP as an alternative vote but know not enough about their policies as yet to make a choice.

Some cracking footage on youtube of Farage ranting away in the European Parliament, he's good value to watch thats for sure.

[horlock07]

 

Trying to defend the Tories over Black Wednesday is a little outrageous, they should of never shadowed the Deutsche Mark, a mistake that cost the country billions, and on the other hand it's ridiculous to blame Labour for the sub prime market in the USA or the collapse of Lehmam brothers, that is Tory nonsense and in reality Labour had very little to do with the 2008 crash, however they did do some great things in office such as the minimum wage, civil partnerships, an end to the conflict in Ireland, paternity leave for fathers, fox hunting ban, winter fuel allowance, I could go on and on about the real social change that was made under Labour, the type of change that is impossible under under any Tory Government. 

I must of missed this perfect utopia that the last Labour created, I love the argument that the whole financial situation had nothing to do with them, yet the perceived economic miracle that preceded it was all Browns work apparently. Whatever way you look at it they embraced the whole global economy and the 'borrow and sod the consequences' approach which is immediately apparent when we see the economy now! We can all get unemployment down by creating loads of jobs in the public sector, but there are always side effects.

They are all the same... Just different levels of centre right, as I said on the other thread whilst the Tories have ideology reasons for being as they are, but I think that the Labour Party have been even more reprehensible for the way they have sold their core voters down the river. Never understood as a Unison member why we continued to fund the party that was trying to erode our terms and conditions... But we blindly did!

[fatbasher]

I must of missed this perfect utopia that the last Labour created, I love the argument that the whole financial situation had nothing to do with them, yet the perceived economic miracle that preceded it was all Browns work apparently. Whatever way you look at it they embraced the whole global economy and the 'borrow and sod the consequences' approach which is immediately apparent when we see the economy now! We can all get unemployment down by creating loads of jobs in the public sector, but there are always side effects.

They are all the same... Just different levels of centre right, as I said on the other thread whilst the Tories have ideology reasons for being as they are, but I think that the Labour Party have been even more reprehensible for the way they have sold their core voters down the river. Never understood as a Unison member why we continued to fund the party that was trying to erode our terms and conditions... But we blindly did!

That's the problem with socialism, everyones equal, it's just that some are more equal than others, just look at Blair and Mandleson and Kinnock etc. The Conservatives are more open when it comes to feathering their nests at least you know they'll make a packet for themselves whilst enriching everyone lower down the food chain, just not as much as them of course. As it stands in my life time the convservatives have always picked up the mess left by labour and then been seen as the nasty boys eating babies and starving the masses. Oh before you get on your high horses about the Thatcher administration, they bequeathed to the Blair sorrry Bliar's government the BEST set set of ecconomic figures for any incoming government in history, fact! All Bliar and McBroon had to do was run with it. Still they did abolish boom and bust didn't they? And create 1 million non jobs and opened the flood gates to unchecked immigration from outside the EU to boost their voting pool whilst gravely underestimating the influx of east european labour (mostly paid in cash which is great for the exchequer) when most other EU members had a morritorium on doing so as they saw the tidal wave coming in. Which in reality has taken jobs from their core lower paid voters, DOH. DOH ! Wait till next year when the other lot pile in from Bulgaria and Romania.

[ron dodgers]

that's a bit simplistic our 2 party system is so similar that the don't really make much difference. If Labour are so socialist why has the %age of GDP to wages and salaries gone down from a peak in 1975 of 65% to 53% now; both parties are OK with corporate greed and I can't see anyone else fighting that maybe UKIP will.

[StfcRusty]

That's the problem with socialism, everyones equal, it's just that some are more equal than others, just look at Blair and Mandleson and Kinnock etc. The Conservatives are more open when it comes to feathering their nests at least you know they'll make a packet for themselves whilst enriching everyone lower down the food chain, just not as much as them of course. As it stands in my life time the convservatives have always picked up the mess left by labour and then been seen as the nasty boys eating babies and starving the masses. Oh before you get on your high horses about the Thatcher administration, they bequeathed to the Blair sorrry Bliar's government the BEST set set of ecconomic figures for any incoming government in history, fact! All Bliar and McBroon had to do was run with it. Still they did abolish boom and bust didn't they? And create 1 million non jobs and opened the flood gates to unchecked immigration from outside the EU to boost their voting pool whilst gravely underestimating the influx of east european labour (mostly paid in cash which is great for the exchequer) when most other EU members had a morritorium on doing so as they saw the tidal wave coming in. Which in reality has taken jobs from their core lower paid voters, DOH. DOH ! Wait till next year when the other lot pile in from Bulgaria and Romania.

I guess it's all about opinions. And in my opinion, your post is a load of bollocks.

By the way, the current government has failed to cut public spending (it's increased) yet the same old 'labour spent money we didn't have" cliches are rolled out again and again.

[fatbasher]

I guess it's all about opinions. And in my opinion, your post is a load of bollocks.

By the way, the current government has failed to cut public spending (it's increased) yet the same old 'labour spent money we didn't have" cliches are rolled out again and again.

So what you're saying is my facts are wrong?