finally justice for the 96?

[Mexicano Rojo]

So it seems the truth that most people already realised has finally come to light.

South yorks police fabricating 164 witness statements and doing blood alcohol tests on all the victims even the children! then liaising with the sun over that hideous headline.

people should be fucking jailed for this.

[DMR]

I'm not saying this to get a rise or anything like that this time Mex - I for one don't really care that much. It's almost boring.

Yes, it was a huge miscarriage of justice and OK today it's made (sort of) official - but everyone KNEW that anyway.

It didnt affect me (I'd only just been born) and hand on heart, it makes no odds to me - in fact I find football's collective sense, and especially these Scousers' sense, of entitlement and being holier than thou because of what happened, quite irksome. Fair fucks to them for fighting for justice, but do it with some humility and grace and for the right reasons - not just keep it in the public eye for the sake of it, which is what I've always felt about Trevor Hicks who is a chief campaigner but also a publicity-seeking loudmouth. Maybe he's grieving in public. Dunno.

Similarly - Cameron and co apologising today - why? What the fuck has he got to apologise for?

The shocking aspect is these 164 doctored reports, but anyone who didn't think this happened anyway must be incredibly naive. People should be jailed - maybe they will be - but surely it's time, now the truth is out, to just let it be.

I've not really expressed what I think very well and have rambled a bit but you get the idea. Probably sounds worse than I mean it to.

Sorry.

[ghanimah]

Agreed, have to say the conclusions don't come as a surprise, but some of the details are somewhat shocking

[ghanimah]

I'm not saying this to get a rise or anything like that this time Mex - I for one don't really care that much. It's almost boring.

Yes, it was a huge miscarriage of justice and OK today it's made (sort of) official - but everyone KNEW that anyway.

It didnt affect me (I'd only just been born) and hand on heart, it makes no odds to me - in fact I find football's collective sense, and especially these Scousers' sense, of entitlement and being holier than thou because of what happened, quite irksome. Fair fucks to them for fighting for justice, but do it with some humility and grace and for the right reasons - not just keep it in the public eye for the sake of it, which is what I've always felt about Trevor Hicks who is a chief campaigner but also a publicity-seeking loudmouth.

Similarly - Cameron and co apologising today - why? What the fuck has he got to apologise for?

The shocking aspect is these 164 doctored reports, but anyone who didn't think this happened anyway must be incredibly naive. People should be jailed - maybe they will be - but surely it's time, now the truth is out, to just let it be.

I've not really expressed what I think very well and have rambled a bit but you get the idea. Probably sounds worse than I mean it to.

Sorry.

That response is exactly why the authorities get away with it... let's hope it doesn't happen to you

[Mexicano Rojo]

Dave Cameron has apologised as did Milliband on behalf of their respective parties governments who ignored the glaringly fucking obvious and let families who lost children and loved ones have to be told that they were far from innocent for 23 years.

[walcot red]

Surely those who fabricated those witness statements should now be prosecuted for 'fraud' or 'perverting the course of justice.' This whole situation should've been sorted out years ago, not 23 fucking years later. Hopefully now these families can now move on.

The only positive that has come out of this disater is that we're not penned in anymore so we can now avoid this situation from ever happening in this country again.

[LucienSanchez]

I always believed it was a tragedy for which all parties were culpable to varying degrees - unsafe ground, surging fans, poor policing, slow/ineffective response. The details of this report make it clear that the authorities are the only ones responsible, and the cover up (long rumoured, finally proven) is disgusting. The editted witness statements, the 3.15 cut-off for survivors, the lies from South Yorks police that were fed to news agencies... all of it pretty shocking. The Sun was tasteless in its reporting, and obviously angered many, but its pieces were based on what was perceived as fact, from sources which should have been trustworthy - i find the lies fed to the media worse that the actual reporting of it.

As for what happens next, criminal charges and stripping of honours (the Sheffield MP who peddled shite is a Knight of the Realm - if that banker bloke can be stripped, he definitely should be!). The Head of S.Yorks police retired on full pension at 46 directly after... he needs to be punished for his role.

[Mexicano Rojo]

If they had a shred of decency this should be the front page tomorrow

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[Flashheart]

Was a terrible thing that happened, but that's in the past and nothing can be done about that now.

Here in the present, however, millions of people still continue to buy heinous publications such as the Sun and the Daily Mail and lap up their stories as though it is gospel. It makes one despair.

[wiggy]

I will choose my words very carefully here.

I am relieved that all the records have now been made public, and I genuinely hope that families and friends of those that died or were traumatised by the events that day can find a way to come to terms with what happened. My worry is that we will now witness a tidal wave of anger and bitterness, which would be absolutely justified on the part of those individually affected, that will be taken up vicariously by others.

I have a Liverpool supporting friend (perhaps by the end of today ex-friend) who was not there. As far as I am aware none of his family were there and none of his friends were killed or injured. However, he constantly bangs on about Hillsborough, and has put the following statement up on Facebook, which is the sort of thing DMR is referring to:

"To any of my friends who have declared themselves 'bored' with LFC's push for this enquiry into Hillsborough (and there have been a few), and mocked and complained on its anniversary, can I just say that today is the FIRST time anything has been acknowledged, admitted, produced or apologized for. THAT, coupled with the matter of the lies told by that shitebag paper, are exactly why the club and the families have fought for so long. Today might signal the start of the end to your boredom and amusement, sorry for causing you any distraction in your judgemental little lives. Will be having a cull on here this weekend, dont bother saying goodbye."

[Bob's Orange]

I know its the mirror but this is a pretty good read

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/hillsborough-documents-released-brian-reade-1318730

[DRS]

I will choose my words very carefully here.

I am relieved that all the records have now been made public, and I genuinely hope that families and friends of those that died or were traumatised by the events that day can find a way to come to terms with what happened. My worry is that we will now witness a tidal wave of anger and bitterness, which would be absolutely justified on the part of those individually affected, that will be taken up vicariously by others.

I have a Liverpool supporting friend (perhaps by the end of today ex-friend) who was not there. As far as I am aware none of his family were there and none of his friends were killed or injured. However, he constantly bangs on about Hillsborough, and has put the following statement up on Facebook, which is the sort of thing DMR is referring to:

"To any of my friends who have declared themselves 'bored' with LFC's push for this enquiry into Hillsborough (and there have been a few), and mocked and complained on its anniversary, can I just say that today is the FIRST time anything has been acknowledged, admitted, produced or apologized for. THAT, coupled with the matter of the lies told by that shitebag paper, are exactly why the club and the families have fought for so long. Today might signal the start of the end to your boredom and amusement, sorry for causing you any distraction in your judgemental little lives. Will be having a cull on here this weekend, dont bother saying goodbye."

Not having a pop but just saying,you do not have to know anyone to be effected,us town fans still bang on about how we were mistreated by the fa 20 years ago,some young fans would still be angry if they were told how we were treated.I dont think it is that bad that younj lpool fans are angry with what happened.

[Mexicano Rojo]

I think trevor hicks has every right to be a bit mardy dave.............


Trevor Hicks was one of the few who got a loved one into Tony Edwards' ambulance. He was trying to resuscitate his 19- year- old daughter Sarah when he spotted her 15- year- old sister Victoria being placed into the ambulance.

Trevor tried to push Sarah in alongside her but the bodies were piled high and he had to lay her back on the pitch.

He said: " The ambulance started to move away. I saw the door close and I had to make a decision in that split-second. I thought 'the fella with Sarah knows what he's doing, I'll leave her with him and another ambulance will be along in a minute'."

Another one never came and both of his girls died. Trevor, now 63, added: "In the ambulance, I was sucking the vomit from Vicky's throat. I couldn't get rid of that taste for six months.

"A psychiatrist said I was either trying to hang on to the last contact with my daughters or it was guilt - I was punishing myself for not saving them.

"The hurt I suffered that day was so extreme I can't be hurt any more."

[DMR]

There's 96 families who this applies to, most of whom have since maintained a quieter, more dignified pursual of justice.

Yes what happened to his children is appalling but people can appreciate that without having it constantly rammed down their throats, much like you're doing at the moment.

[Saxondale]

Some of the stuff I have seen on twitter makes me so fucking mad.  A few people are truly cunts without an ounce of intelligence of compassion in their pathetic souls.

People died.  They could have been saved.  The police lied.  They shouldn't have.  A national newspaper colluded with the police and produced a paper which propagated lies.  They should be ashamed.  People buy that lying shit rag and proclaim to read the nasty disgraceful venom and lies.  They shouldn't.  

Its a horrible example of what man is capable of and makes me ashamed to be human.