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« Reply #9240 on: Today at 10:22:53 »

I am a stuck record on this, but people didn't vote for Boris, they were hell bent on voting for Brexit and didn't give a shit who the Prime Minister was going to be - Boris/Cummings knew this and probably saw it as their only opportunity to get him in there.

The outrage from some is a little laughable when the public voted for him (Brexit) not really giving a shit that he was going to be PM, knowing exactly the sort of history he had and now are incredulous that these things are now happening..  this is what you knowingly voted for, so don't be so outraged when these things come to fruition..

Disclaimer:  This is not aimed at anyone on here - just the great British public in general
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« Reply #9241 on: Today at 10:26:24 »

Yep, he's pretty much toast, you'd think. The one thing that no one seems to be questioning or commenting on is how all these stories are coming to light; i.e. a regular drip feed of a new one every week or so. Someone on the inside has really got it in for Boris.

I don't think its necessarily being drip fed, more that as each bit unravels more people are coming forward to confirm what journo's already knew but providing enough corroboration to allow them to run the story. The lass from the Mirror who has broken a lot of it has previously said she had been aware of most of it for ages (at least this time last year) but until it could be confirmed by a couple of independent sources it could never get through the lawyering at the paper and get run.

The issue is going to be who else is this going to bring down, the Met knew about it and were thus complicit so who do they work for the public as we thought, or the government which is all a bit authoritarian state, likewise many journalists apparently attended so less of a fearless independent press more client journalism, again all rather 1984.

I see right wing twitter are losing their shit this morning, bizarrely at the BBC (who have little to do with breaking this story) and suggesting that Boris's enemies are leaking stories to the press, which must be an absolute shocker for them. Deeply ironic that those tweeting about the ScumMedia are the ones who’ve been lapping up lies from the Sun, Express and Mail for years.

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« Reply #9242 on: Today at 10:32:02 »

police in doing their job shocker

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60123850
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« Reply #9243 on: Today at 10:35:58 »

I am a stuck record on this, but people didn't vote for Boris, they were hell bent on voting for Brexit and didn't give a shit who the Prime Minister was going to be - Boris/Cummings knew this and probably saw it as their only opportunity to get him in there.

The outrage from some is a little laughable when the public voted for him (Brexit) not really giving a shit that he was going to be PM, knowing exactly the sort of history he had and now are incredulous that these things are now happening..  this is what you knowingly voted for, so don't be so outraged when these things come to fruition..

Disclaimer:  This is not aimed at anyone on here - just the great British public in general

Agree with most of this apart from it just being Brexit, the Tories could have put up Michael Fabricant and he would still have beaten Corbyn, because long and short a substantial part of the electorate just didn't like him.
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« Reply #9244 on: Today at 10:56:27 »

I don't particularly like the tories, the problem is there is bugger all alternative that appeals.
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« Reply #9245 on: Today at 11:03:50 »

politics is broken fundamentally

Apols for banging the drum yet again, but it will continue to be broken until we dispense with FPTP.  Until that happens, we're stuck with the existing duopoly.  FPTP strangles smaller political groupings and fledgling political movements at birth, and disproportionately rewards the largest party with too much power.  It enables the likes of Johnson.

Sadly, there appears to be no appetite in the country for an alternative.
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« Reply #9246 on: Today at 11:16:13 »

I'm not for a second suggesting every other politician is squeaky clean, but it's hardly a stretch to imagine Johnson is unusually flippant about the rules, conventions and other people's safety, is it? He's behaved like this his whole life, it's just that before lockdown, enough people found him to be a charming rogue rather than clearly a bit of a dick that it got him elected.

All other issues aside, you don't seriously think Theresa May holds parties in lockdown, do you? (or indeed, holds parties when it's totally legitimate to do so!)

That may be true but to me she was duplicitous in her dealing with the EU. She boxed herself and the country into a corner by triggering article 50 when she was advised to hold fire a bit then as a staunch europhile tried to secure a Brexit deal that fundamentally kept us tied to a club we’re trying to get out of. Whilst tell ing us is was the best we could hope for, lying fucking cow. And so it goes on.
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« Reply #9247 on: Today at 11:24:21 »

Seeing as they lead the Leave campaign maybe Boris or Gove should have stepped up after Cameron, you might have got the Brexit deal that you hoped for!

Nope they just hid in the corner and left to May to deal with all the shit that followed
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« Reply #9248 on: Today at 11:29:07 »

nobody saw this coming ... oh wait

BREAKING: Sue Gray will not publish her partygate report while the Met police investigate. So it will not be published this week and probably not for many weeks. This is some kind of reprieve for the prime minister. She will continue her investigation though
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« Reply #9249 on: Today at 11:32:07 »

That may be true but to me she was duplicitous in her dealing with the EU. She boxed herself and the country into a corner by triggering article 50 when she was advised to hold fire a bit then as a staunch europhile tried to secure a Brexit deal that fundamentally kept us tied to a club we’re trying to get out of. Whilst tell ing us is was the best we could hope for, lying fucking cow. And so it goes on.

This is really not the place, but hey ho...

Fuck me, if we are totally re- writing history I hated the bit where she invaded France...

A50 was invoked (in March 2017 as she had promised to do to see off another revolt at the back end of 2016 - remember Enemies of the People, Citizens of Nowhere and other such nationalistic bollocks) as if she didn't the nut jobs in the ERG and most Brexiteers would have burned her at the stake, as for her being advised not to, by whom, considering every Tory MP bar Ken Clarke voted for it!

As for it 'going on', nothing goes on we are (entirely at our own request) a third party to the EU and will be treated thus, you won, own it!

nobody saw this coming ... oh wait

BREAKING: Sue Gray will not publish her partygate report while the Met police investigate. So it will not be published this week and probably not for many weeks. This is some kind of reprieve for the prime minister. She will continue her investigation though

Don't think it means much in the scheme of things, albeit could be the strange world where a Met investigation into the Pm actually buys him some time. I recall the last time the Met investigated no.10 was under Blair re honours and it accelerated his departure, so fingers crossed again.
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« Reply #9250 on: Today at 11:38:01 »

No it is not and I am not saying anymore on the subject. It only encourages people and I really cannot be arsed. What will be will be.
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« Reply #9251 on: Today at 12:45:11 »

The Secret Barrister on twitter:
Even in the event of prosecutions, alleged offences under the Covid regulations cannot be tried at the Crown Court, and so there is absolutely no risk at all of any potential jury being influenced.

As I read it - there's no justification for not publishing Sue's report, given the popo will be doing their own stuff anyway
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