Beckham

[nevillew]

I don't think Redknapp can be considered until he's finally clear from all allegations of financial impropriety.

More likely is Martin O'Neill at the moment. Of course, two wins in the looming qualifiers will doubtless put a different spin on it.

[Colin Todd]

Beckham still is the most influential player England has and actually brings some leadership to the pitch something we clearly lacked in south Africa. I am convinced he would have got everyone working together.  The term world class is used a lot but beckham truly is world class in every sense. The team and fans get a lift when beckham comes on. A player who has defied the odds and proved people wrong time and time again! A player who actually wears the England shirt with pride and would play for his country for free. Ok he us past his best but beckham is still class and we will be a weaker team with him excluded.

Every time there is a thread on here about him, you come out with the same history revising "saint Becks" bullshit.

How does he bring leadership? I've seen loads of better captains in football, and frankly I think theres at least 2 or 3 more suitable candidates in the current England set up.

Did we win anything when he was captain or a key player? No. Did we win anything before or after? no did we even come close? No

As for the "wears his shirt with pride" nonsense - I've seen him play very well for England, and I've seen him be shit and ineffective. He usually tries hard. Same could be said of most England players How does that put him on a pedestal above most other players exactly? I dont recall seeing players not try playing for England very often- be shit yes, not trying - no.

Thing is I dont even have anything against him. He seems a reasonable bloke and was a very good player in his prime.  He's not world class now, and in my opinion never was. The sun does not shine out of his (well groomed) arse

[adje]

Every time there is a thread on here about him, you come out with the same history revising "saint Becks" bullshit.

How does he bring leadership? I've seen loads of better captains in football, and frankly I think theres at least 2 or 3 more suitable candidates in the current England set up.

Did we win anything when he was captain or a key player? No. Did we win anything before or after? no did we even come close? No

As for the "wears his shirt with pride" nonsense - I've seen him play very well for England, and I've seen him be shit and ineffective. He usually tries hard. Same could be said of most England players How does that put him on a pedestal above most other players exactly? I dont recall seeing players not try playing for England very often- be shit yes, not trying - no.

Thing is I dont even have anything against him. He seems a reasonable bloke and was a very good player in his prime.  He's not world class now, and in my opinion never was. The sun does not shine out of his (well groomed) arse

Aye to that

[leefer]

Every time there is a thread on here about him, you come out with the same history revising "saint Becks" bullshit.

How does he bring leadership? I've seen loads of better captains in football, and frankly I think theres at least 2 or 3 more suitable candidates in the current England set up.

Did we win anything when he was captain or a key player? No. Did we win anything before or after? no did we even come close? No

As for the "wears his shirt with pride" nonsense - I've seen him play very well for England, and I've seen him be shit and ineffective. He usually tries hard. Same could be said of most England players How does that put him on a pedestal above most other players exactly? I dont recall seeing players not try playing for England very often- be shit yes, not trying - no.

Thing is I dont even have anything against him. He seems a reasonable bloke and was a very good player in his prime.  He's not world class now, and in my opinion never was. The sun does not shine out of his (well groomed) arse

We have had lots of good captains and won fuck all...dont mean they were poor players...and it is your opinion but in most peoples he was world class...on and off the field.
Anyone who wins the amount of caps he has deserves praise and to be honest with you having the grace to give him the plaudits he deserves dosn't mean that i think the sun shines out of his ass.

[Colin Todd]

Leefer I didnt say beckham isnt still a decent player and in his prime was a very good player.

My issue is with Gazza claiming he would pretty much have sorted the entire world cup campaign out single handedly with his wonderous leadership skills.  I'm surprised he hasnt sorted the middle east out yet.

[Meth Test]

John Lyall for England Manager

[leefer]

Leefer I didnt say beckham isnt still a decent player and in his prime was a very good player.

My issue is with Gazza claiming he would pretty much have sorted the entire world cup campaign out single handedly with his wonderous leadership skills.  I'm surprised he hasnt sorted the middle east out yet.

Fact is Toddy we have a culture of knocking our best..a lot of it is down to the club issues in the fact that if you hate Man Utd you find fault in Beckham....was the same with Ronaldo(great player) and to a degree it is happening to Rooney who is a great player...thats not me saying they are great  that but other greats of the game...but what do they know eh.

[herthab]

Crapello is a cunt and surely after the WC and now this gaffe, public opinion in him is declining. His position really was untenable after the WC but ofcourse the FA cant afford to sack him so we are stuck with this clueless prick now. Clearly its the culture difference really and he cannot relate to the English really. It seems (if media reports are to be believed) that players dont wnat to play for him, fans dont really seem to want him anyway. 'Arry for England!

The players 'Don't want to play for him'? Well boo fucking hoo, the pampered twats are playing for their country, it shouldn't matter who the manager is they should at least be able to show some desire and spirit.

Your post Gazza just further proves my theory that most football fans in this country have the memory of goldfish. I can't remember anyone saying fuck all about Capello's mastery (Or otherwise) of the English language when we cruised through the qualifiying campaign (And the players managed to overcome their dislike of him too).

As for Beckham. Everyone was saying Capello should turn to the youth. He basically says he doesn't think 35 year old Beckham has a future in an England shirt, but that's wrong as well!

I'm not sying the bloke is blameless, but to put all of England's woes at his doorstep is fucking ridiculous.

Scapegoat? In Pookesqe proportions. 

[Tails]

He's been brainwashed by the Sun. They've decided they don't like him so the thick as shit readers have now decided that is their opinion too.

Basically, Capello was wrong for not turning to the younger players. He's also wrong for now not wanting to pick a 35 year old way paste his prime plying his trade at a level that makes the SPL look decent. He can't win.

I love Beckham, don't get me wrong. For my generation he is an absolute hero and he's done so much for this country HOWEVER Capello is the fucking manager. If he decides he doesn't want to pick him that's his decision! People loved his no nonsense, straight talking approach before but now all of a sudden the fickle cunts that are the football fans in this country have decided that it doesn't work anymore.

Funny how Capello was the saviour not so long ago. Good manager and should stay in charge, made a good move by putting his faith in the youth of the country.

God I hate everyone.

[Simon Pieman]

I like Beckham but he's too old for England and has been for some time. I don't get this hero worship though. Sure, he's given us some good moments and won a load of caps but he's also sold any credibility he's had to the highest bidder. Always been the way.

But he should be a great example to Rooney, how to go from zero to 'hero'.

[adje]

His last  dozen or so caps have been gifts from the F.A. dont forget.

[BANGKOK RED]

What about Hoddle and El Tel.

Both are great managers.

Oh.....