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Can you think of any young player - at any L1 or L2 club - who has broken into the first team, then had a big money move directly to the Prem and then made a splash in that team?
Walcott left Southampton when they had just been relegated from the Prem, and he's the closest I can think of. The Leigh Mills/Lucas J/Ben Tozer scenario, where you get snapped up before you're proven and then (normally) sink without trace, seems far more common.
Kids get picked up early, or not at all. In practice, I can't think of a single player who has done two or three years in L1 and then successfully stepped up to the Prem. Even Coxy is failing to set the world alight at West Brom.
Anyone got any examples?
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« Reply #16 on: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 20:14:49 » |
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« Reply #17 on: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 20:15:06 » |
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Joe Hart? Not sure how big the money was there but he's done alright.
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« Reply #18 on: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 20:15:11 » |
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Fabian Delph. Just answered my own question. Did a year at Leeds and went to Villa for £6m
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« Reply #19 on: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 20:17:40 » |
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« Reply #20 on: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 20:21:36 » |
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Joe Hart? Not sure how big the money was there but he's done alright.
Fair shout, but I think goalkeepers are different. |
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« Reply #21 on: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 20:23:06 » |
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Aaron Ramsey, I know was a Championship player, but still went for nearly £5m.
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« Reply #22 on: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 21:35:55 » |
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« Reply #23 on: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 21:51:36 » |
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His mother was interviewed on BBC Swindon the other night and gave a firm no comment when Shaun Hodgetts probed her on the Chelsea etc rumours but also said Alex had been a Swindon fan from an early age.
It's a difficult decision for these youngsters as they will be easily swayed when a Prem club comes calling and the Prem clubs will want to integrate them into their coaching structures compared with the bad habits they may pick up lower down. I think the days have long gone when youngsters dreamed of playing for their home town clubs and the to turn down a Prem club at 15/16 is a tough decision for any kid/parent to call.
The risk is the players don't make the grade and they are bombed out at 19/20 years old with no real experience of any first team football and all the skills in the world won't help with you've got to mix in League 1 or 2. Personally, I'm believe a a couple of years league experience will bring players on and if they're good enough they'll make it anyway and good players at our level don't go unmissed.
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« Reply #24 on: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 21:53:17 » |
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welcome oaksey, good first post. Post more. ta  |
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« Reply #25 on: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 21:54:23 » |
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Your a gent Mex.........really |
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« Reply #26 on: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 22:03:44 » |
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His mother was interviewed on BBC Swindon the other night and gave a firm no comment when Shaun Hodgetts probed her on the Chelsea etc rumours but also said Alex had been a Swindon fan from an early age.
It's a difficult decision for these youngsters as they will be easily swayed when a Prem club comes calling and the Prem clubs will want to integrate them into their coaching structures compared with the bad habits they may pick up lower down. I think the days have long gone when youngsters dreamed of playing for their home town clubs and the to turn down a Prem club at 15/16 is a tough decision for any kid/parent to call.
The risk is the players don't make the grade and they are bombed out at 19/20 years old with no real experience of any first team football and all the skills in the world won't help with you've got to mix in League 1 or 2. Personally, I'm believe a a couple of years league experience will bring players on and if they're good enough they'll make it anyway and good players at our level don't go unmissed.
The idea that young players would be better off getting a few years experience playing at lower levels before moving on if they're good enough, instead of chucking their lot in with the big clubs youth systems is fairly common sentiment on here. Logic in my head sort of agrees, but does it pan out like that? If you look at all the under 24 players through L1 and L2 squads, how many came through the youth teams of lower league and had early expierence and how many dropped down from the big clubs academies? I honestly have no idea, would be interesting for someone to look up and write a well referenced essay on though. |
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« Reply #27 on: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 22:05:39 » |
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According to the adver tonight Wilson will be taking him with the first team on a regular basis...with a view to a debut sooner rather than later......like that.
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« Reply #28 on: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 22:14:31 » |
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Walcott left Southampton when they had just been relegated from the Prem, and he's the closest I can think of.
He only played in a total of 22 games for Southampton and all of them were whilst they were in The Championship. Once upon a time the main thing for a young player going to a big team was simply going to a big team. I'm not so sure that is the case anymore, its the money aspect as much as anything if not the only thing. A Premier League team could pay him say £2k a week, which is a lot of money for a 16 year old bearing in mind they might not make the grade. That kind of money could set him up, compared to a low salary at Swindon and then being totally shafted if he doesn't make it. What would you do in the same position? I'd probably take the money. The only thing that might change things is if he is playing, or at least getting on the bench. If you're part of the first team squad and playing games that would be a major selling point compared to sitting in the reserves or worse for a couple of years. The only problem I see is clubs getting kids for a fraction of what they are really worth and would be worth in a few years time. The tribunals should be setting far higher payments tied in to longer term performance, especially when the kid has been with the original club for a long time. |
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« Reply #29 on: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 22:28:50 » |
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I think that's right.
If you're the kid, it's going to be very hard to turn down a move to a prem club.
If you're a prem club, the longer you wait, the higher the price and the greater the risk that another club gets him.
So both sides have got an interest in making the deal happen as soon as possible. By time you've proven you have Premiership potential (like Walcott, Ramsey, even Rooney to some extent) the price you have to pay will be astronomical. I think most clubs would probably rather hedge their bets by paying £500k for 10 kids rather than £5m for one.
So I'm coming to the slightly depressing conclusion that if he leaves, then it will be sooner rather than later. But if he stays, it's because he isn't as good as everyone thinks he is.
The silver lining is that he might not crack the prem on the first go, but could still be the best player in L1.
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